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Offline Jester

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2006, 11:54:20 PM »
Tks for the complement Ace.

Yea, at the time I was flying with a Luftwaffe Squad in the CT and it was done mainly for our squadron. Guess now that I am flying Allied I need to quit spreading it around.  :D

You starting a Bomber Squad or just flying Buff's individually? I also was CO of a squad flying B-26's - if you need some help with anything drop me a PM.

GOOD LUCK AND GOOD HUNTING!  :aok

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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2006, 01:26:31 AM »
The lowdown: B24 has better speed at ALL weights, cruise settings, and altitudes, and it carries more bombs, and heavier bombs (2k perfect for hangars).

B24 can cruise at max cruise fairly well at 20k with full load. B17 can't sustain level flight at max cruise at 20k (engines don't produce enough to keep the plane in the air).

Unless you like the b17, the b24 is much more capable in AH.

As for lethality, well.. both are tough. B24s catch on fire easier than b17, but I popped 3x b17s ni a 109E and had 20 rounds of 20mm left afterwards not long ago. Any plane is vulnerable.

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2006, 06:07:18 AM »
Hi Karnak,

>Does that take into account fighter opposition faced?  I would not be surprised if B-17s were used in areas of greater Luftwaffe threat as the USAAF also considered them more survivable.

Valid concern. It's my impression that the B-17 and B-24 were both used without reservations, but if there had been a period when the B-17s were used to attack Germany while the B-24s were only sent into France, that would of course have skewed the results.

It's my belief that there was no type-specific target assignment for the USAAF bombers, but that's not really a researched conclusion.

(The RAF definitely assigned their less survivable bombers to the more survivable missions as a general rule, so the possibility has to be taken into account.)

It might be that the greater survivability of the B-24 evident from the above figures doesn't actually mean that it is the tougher aircraft, but merely that it flew higher and faster and was not exposed to flak and flighters for the same duration as the B-17.

The B-17 might well have the greater chances of surviving a single attack than the B-24, but if its slower speed meant it was attacked more frequently, the end result might have favoured the B-24 anyway.

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Offline justin_g

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2006, 08:57:00 AM »
I thought the B-24's usually flew lower than the B-17 formations?

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2006, 09:09:42 AM »
The B-24 could not keep in the tight formations in thge high altitudes due to poor directional stability and therefore B-24s flew at lower altitudes than the B-17 in Europe. This was fixed in the late models which featured completely redesigned tail surfaces. Overall the B-24 seem to be more capable airframe than the B-17.

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2006, 09:15:52 AM »
My oldman flew B-24s , he is 84. His friend flew B-17s,he is 84. I have heard them argue,in fun,after 60 years about which is better the B24 or the B-17. So I believe the issue will never be decided. The planes were both great and the crews that flew them hold to this day fondness for their respective rides.

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2006, 09:16:20 AM »
From Baughers site:

"As early as 1942, the Army had concluded that the Liberator would have better aerodynamic stability if it had a single fin and rudder. However, the Liberator was destined to go through almost its entire career with its original twin fin-and-rudder assembly.

In early 1943, Ford/Willow Run decided to test this assumption of better stability with a single fin and rudder. They modified a B-24D airframe to accommodate a single vertical tail unit taken from a Douglas B-23 Dragon. This aircraft was initially known as B-24ST (where the ST stood for *Single Tail*), and made its first flight on March 6, 1943. Following a change to a C-54 tailplane and a new rudder, the new fuselage was attached to another, later production B-24D airframe (B-24D-40-CO 42-40234). At the same time, it was fitted with more powerful R-1830-75 engines, each developing 1350 hp for takeoff. This airframe was also fitted with the power-operated nose turret that had been installed on later Liberators, while retaining the Consolidated tail turret.

This highly modified aircraft, designated XB-24K, flew on September 9, 1943. Tests revealed that the new tail configuration did indeed greatly improve the stability and handling of the Liberator. An additional benefit was an improvement in the field of fire for the tail gun. As a result of its additional engine power, the XB-24K was 11 mph faster than previous Liberators and had a much improved climb rate.

The results were so encouraging that in April 1944 the Army recommended that all future Liberators be manufactured with single tails. It was planned that the single-tailed Liberator would first appear on the production line with the B-24N version, but the approaching end of the war led to the cancellation of the B-24N contract after only 8 examples had been built. However, the single-tail configuration was later adopted for the PB4Y-2 Privateer.
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2006, 09:22:08 AM »
Hi Justin,

>I thought the B-24's usually flew lower than the B-17 formations?

Hm, then it comes down to the speed difference entirely. It would be interesting to know how great this difference was in operational terms!

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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2006, 11:04:44 AM »
Gentlemen, use this link and watch the 6 part film on the B-17 and B-24.

Excellent stuff.

My regards,

Widewing
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Widewing

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