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Offline NATEDOG

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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2001, 01:00:00 PM »
 
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That's what search warrants are for.


They had them. they were turned away at gun point. As soon as they did that, the feds lives were in danger, and they had the right to shoot them. you read about it every day, someone pulls a gun on a cop, and gets killed. The only difference is that there were children involed in this one. But good ole David could have let the children go insted of using them as a shield. he choose to put them in the line of fire, not to mention shot some in the back of the head. the children were the victims in this. but it was by Davids hand, not the feds.

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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2001, 01:06:00 PM »
 
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[BIt's not the end for Timmy, just the beginning of his suffering. He'll pay for his actions for lives to come.
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wow - pretty enlightened there eagler - you got a copy of the dhammapadda sitting next to field and stream in yer toilet rack?

 



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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »
 The congressional hearings showed that the warrants were bogus.  There was NO drug manufacturing equipment they couldnt prove any "child" molestation.  Then they figured that the only way to save the children was to kill them.

 Everything I have read or seen on this leads me to the conclusion that the ATF was trying to make a big show out of this because it was budget time.

BTW,  my roomate at the time owned a car lot in Killeen Tx.  The day after the burning.  We saw the US Army tanks coming back to Ft. Hood from Waco, yes the same ones that were on TV.  Why was the Army used against our own citizens?  Isn't that illegal????  The saddest part is the nobody was held accountable, except for the dead.

 The ATF knew they were tipped off and should have stopped at that point, PERIOD, IMNSO    they caused it....


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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »
Udie they were holed up in a compound armed to the teeth in a self-proclaimed showdown with US law enforcement, or is that propoganda too?

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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »
The image that sticks with me is when the agent is on the roof and a Davidian is firing from the room below him.  You can see the shots coming through the roof as the agent rolls trying to avoid them.  These weren't peaceful people that were being picked on by the government.  Bottom line, for me anyways, there were dangerous people with weapons firing on federal agents, while holding children captive.  I think it was the right decision to try and use force to bring the standoff to an end.  It's just a shame that Koresh and his followers decided the best end was to ignite the entire building and kill everyone inside, children included.  My heart goes out for the children that died that day.  But I loathe Koresh for forcing them to die.  As far as no evidence of child abuse, what do you call having sex with 12 and 13 year old girls?  That's child abuse in my book!  First person accounts show it to be true.  Show me some concrete evidence that points to the ATF being at fault, and not something that some conspiracy theorist has put together.  I believe that if you look at the cold, hard, facts (without the "government is out to get them" spin) that it's obvious what really happened that day.  A group of rogues held off federak agents for as long as they could and decided to commit suicide and murder rather than give up.  

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2001, 02:41:00 PM »
The fish rots from the head down, both in Koresh's case, and Janet Reno...

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »
If the Branch Davidians weren't retarded they wouldn't have built their fort out of wood.

If the ATF wasn't retarded they wouldn't have tried to assualt Koresh when they knew surprise was lost.

If the Branch Davidians didn't want to die they shouldn't have had a gun battle with the ATF.  

I think mass stupidity is to blame here, not some evil conspiracy.  Bad decisions have a way of becomming conspiracies in the eyes of the disgruntled.

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »
Agreed JAB, my point is, I *expected* better from the ATF, after all, they're employed by my tax dollars...

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2001, 03:28:00 PM »
WHATEVER! The deaths of the wackos in Waco was what is was. There the children were the innocents, but blame their yellow hammered parents for that, not the gov!

Still didn't justify the puke's blowing up a building filled with women and children.

Chickenshit Timothy McVie - May his soul be in torment 100x longer than the suffering his actions caused the survivors.

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2001, 03:54:00 PM »
I expected the ATF to act alot sooner rather than running up the bill paid by my tax dollars.

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2001, 04:17:00 PM »
On the whole Waco episode: I thought that initially the ATF entered the building with limited personnel, armament etc. and then two(?) ATF officers were shot by the inhabitants... Well that does justify a forceful response does it? If everybody whose house was searched would react the same pretty soon there wouldn't be any houses or officers left, right. So I'm convinced that David Koresh killed all those people, the same who chose him as their leader and depended on him. Makes him kinda fall into the same category as McVeigh, I'm not a religious person by any means but I certainly hope that his punishment isn't over after the injection.


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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »
 
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Don't forget that it's also the 7th anniversary that the Gov murdered almost 100 US citizens in Waco.....


Udie

Hmmm... at least 30 died at the hands of their own people. A simple "surrender" would have avoided all of this. They chose to martyr themselves.