Author Topic: New Aircraft Request -- A20 variants with LOTSA GUNS (Read 485 times)

Simaril · « **on:** January 17, 2006, 07:17:24 AM »

Wasnt sure if this belonged here or in wishlist, but decided on this forum. If I'm wrong, lemme know, HT....

We currently have the Douglas DB7 airframe in 2 iterations: the Boston III (classed as a bomber) and the A-20G. Both these are in the timeframe of Combat Tour, both could conceivably be part of missions in that game, and (hehe) both have some interesting variants that would be fun to have.

Boston III's came with 4x303s firing forward, a flexible 303 in the nose, and a dorsal 303. The Boston Mk. III (Intruder) aircraft retained their transparent noses but were painted matte black, equipped with flame-damping exhausts, and fitted with a belly gun pack housing four 20-mm Hispano cannon which supplemented the standard Boston Mk. III armament. These operated from mid 1942-onwards with Nos. 418 (RCAF) and 605 Squadrons. These airframes were not night fighters, were not equipped with radar, and operated as night attackers/bombers (analagous to the night usage if Lancasters).

Please wipe the drool off your monitors, "Kiss my Havoc" squad members.

Now, for the A-20G we already have in AH2. The A-20G first delivered in February of 1943. It introduced a solid nose armed with four 20-mm M2 cannon with 60 rpg and two 0.50-inch machine guns with 350 rpg. The four cannon were grouped in the forward part of the nose and projected well forward of the nose, with the two machine guns further back in the lower part of the nose. This new nose was introduced as a result of combat experience in the Pacific, where glass-nosed A-20s had been fitted with field modifications to increase their forward firepower during low-level strafing missions. The A-20G retained the 0.50-inch flexible machine gun with 500 rounds in the rear cockpit, as well as the 0.30-in or 0.50-inch tunnel gun. 250 airframes were copleted with this configuration, but because the 20mm was prone to jamming, most of these versions were sent to the USSR (we already have a skin!) and the solid nose was instead loaded with 6x 50s.

I'd love to see these babies in AH2, and both are just gun modifications of current airframes.

Squire · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2006, 10:02:26 AM »

We could use the rear ventral gun positions as well.

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2006, 10:02:33 AM »

We have the aircraft that replaced it already.

Simaril · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2006, 12:35:14 PM »

Spurious argument.

Didnt the P-51D replace the P-51B? Didnt the Spit V replace the Spit I?

These versions were present in meaningful numbers, during specific time frames. They'd fit with the concepts of the Spit sequence in Combat Tour and AvA.

More importantly, they'd be fun to fly in and against. They shouldnt be hard to model at all.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2006, 12:52:56 PM »

Just pointing out that it is hardly drool worthy when a superior aircraft is already there.

Simaril · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2006, 01:05:24 PM »

Granted that in operational status, the variants we have were more practical.

However, teh primary disadvantage of the Hispano A20s was their jamming problem -- a bit of realism that thankfully doesnt occur in AH.

SO, for those who like mixing it up in the A20, having 4x hispanos would make it even more lethal. The Boston III is a bit of a dog in the MA, but could be a contender against its contemporaries in CT or AvA. Should and would earn lots more respect up in the front quarter, like a Mossy or 110 gets in the MA.

The cannon A20G would be a blast, iMHO. Up that to break cap.....hmmm. Course, would be nice to have it as a no ord version so still uppable like the IL2

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2006, 07:48:31 PM »

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However, teh primary disadvantage of the Hispano A20s was their jamming problem -- a bit of realism that thankfully doesnt occur in AH.

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Imagine how the plane selection in the MA might change if jamming were modelled.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2006, 07:54:00 PM »

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New Aircraft Request -- A20 variants with LOTSA GUNS

This belongs in the wish list

gear · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2006, 08:22:02 PM »

Douglas P-70

General characteristics P-70
Primary function Nightfighter
Power plant Two Wright R-2600-11 radial engines
Thrust 2x 1,600 HP 2x 1,193 kW
Wingspan 61.3 ft 18.69 m
Length 47.6 ft 14.50 m
Height 17.6 ft 5.36 m
Wingarea 464 sq ft 43.11 sq m
Weight empty 16,045 lb 7,278 kg
max. 21,283 lb 9,654 kg
Speed 329 mph 529 km/h
Ceiling 28,250 ft 8,611 m
Range 1,060 miles 1,706 km
Armament 4x 20mm cannon
Date deployed 1942
Number converted 240
Douglas P-70 Douglas P-70 Douglas P-70 Douglas P-70 Douglas P-70 Douglas P-70

gear · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2006, 08:34:14 PM »

Well then if they add the p70 then they should add this.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2006, 08:35:01 PM »

gear · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2006, 08:40:15 PM »

HOw about this.

Junkers Ju88-P3
with BK 3,7 canons below fuselage