Author Topic: perk planes....LA-7 SPIT16 (Read 2851 times)

outbreak · « **Reply #15 on:** January 19, 2006, 12:27:46 PM »

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Pooface · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2006, 12:40:37 PM »

the only reason that we so so many noob spit16's about is the ease of use, which is historically correct, so what is HT to do?

its only the noobs that ho and fly lgays, and only education will change that, which is what needs to happen, not perking. every time you see a guy ho you, shout the s*** out of him on 200, and really make him feel bad (all vets need to help with this), and hopefully soon, the hoing and tardishness will stop, but the change needs to come from the players, not HTC

its the young noskill dweebs that cause the whole of the MA to be a joke, and it needs to stop

ujustdied · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2006, 11:55:22 PM »

now why in the hell is the f4u4 perked i mean it has 6 50 cals is pretty fast and all but look at the LA7 3 20mm way faster then the f4u4 i mean eather take the f4u4 off perk or make the LA7 perked. the spit 16 really isnt that good REALLY i mean the KI84 is almost the same plane just a lil slower in the dive. i love seeing the spit 16 they cant run like a newb la7 can if u get a spit into a turn fight its do or die. no way u can run from anything unless the other guy is in a hurricane or a6m. the LA7 is way over used and every time i c one it seems like it can do anything thing. alls im saying is eather make the LA7 perked or the F4u4 off perk i think that would be better.

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viper215 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2006, 07:18:00 PM »

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what do you mean its not 1337 (im guessin that means uber)nuff to perk, only 2 planes can out run it, tempy and 262 ( a plane well worth the perks, and a JET!)

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Schatzi · « **Reply #19 on:** January 25, 2006, 03:25:49 AM »

Its not the Spit16/La7 that HOs, its the pilot. Perking them wont change the pilot.

rogerdee · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2006, 10:24:32 AM »

if u are in front of my guns i am going to fire its the only chance i get,before some bugger shoots me down.
its not the plane that hos it only goes where its pointed,unless its a 110 or a mossie

SuperDud · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2006, 11:24:06 AM »

I got great film of a little experiment I did. In it person after person HOed my 110! I'm talking people in 109Fs, YakUs, P40s, etc, I mean these things aren't exactly heavy hitters in the lethality department! They rely on the HO and are so clueless as what to do besides it, that they will go nose to nose with 4x20mms and 2x30mms instead of simply out manuevering me in a superior aircraft. That's what I find sad about the game and many of it's players today. If you're in a yakU and don't have enough sense to realize you're in for a world of hurt HOing a 110, then I feel sorry for ya!

Schatzi · « **Reply #22 on:** January 25, 2006, 04:53:49 PM »

Hey, im proud to admit I was stupid enough to HO a F4U-1C in my lil HMk1. Best thing about it: I got him a fuel leak (since he was vulching... err... capping our base, he *cant* have mde it back) and got away unscathed. Only to be picked shortly after.

While im a person that STRONGLY avoids HOs (i felt kind of bad about me lacking to resist above mentioned HO), it just goes to show that "desperate times call for desperate measures".

But generally i dont consider HO a good option, because of two things.
First, you allow the other guy a gun solution and make it a 50/50.
Second, going for the HO usually means that in the fight you think primarily about getting your guns on the opponent. Basically thats a good idea, but - patience is a virtue - sometimes you can get more out of going for a six position then going for a snapshot. Especially with my crappy gunnery. Going for the shot can make you - unneccessarily - loose angle.

SuperDud · « **Reply #23 on:** January 25, 2006, 06:53:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
Hey, im proud to admit I was stupid enough to HO a F4U-1C in my lil HMk1. Best thing about it: I got him a fuel leak (since he was vulching... err... capping our base, he *cant* have mde it back) and got away unscathed. Only to be picked shortly after.

While im a person that STRONGLY avoids HOs (i felt kind of bad about me lacking to resist above mentioned HO), it just goes to show that "desperate times call for desperate measures".

But generally i dont consider HO a good option, because of two things.
First, you allow the other guy a gun solution and make it a 50/50.
Second, going for the HO usually means that in the fight you think primarily about getting your guns on the opponent. Basically thats a good idea, but - patience is a virtue - sometimes you can get more out of going for a six position then going for a snapshot. Especially with my crappy gunnery. Going for the shot can make you - unneccessarily - loose angle.

I agree 100% schatzi. But in my example above most HOs were lined up at about 2k at alt, not out of despiration.

bagrat · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2006, 12:01:14 AM »

i read here somewhere someone said that it is the person who HOs not the plane and that perking either of these planes would not change that.

I'de have to disagree because people in perk planes tend to be more careful, and if they are reckless enough to contsantly HO in these planes they will eventually run out of perks and not be able to fly them.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 26, 2006, 03:04:28 AM »

Ok to you guys that seem to think HOing a 110 or IL2 is just crazy.... Welll I beg to differ. Tonight I HO'd both I don't usually try to go for the HO but they pointed their nose at me and I was happy to accept the joust (kinda fun) first was a 110 and I was in an F4U we HO and he hits my engine oil but he dies. Next was Hondo in an IL2 me in Seafire we HO I hit him but he hits me better my wing pops off we laugh about it and continue on. Last is me in A6M5B and Eper in the IL2 we HO I plaster him, he misses me compleatly and it looked like his wing came off. He dies and I tell him on 200 not to HO my Zeke. He replies "I didn't think I could lose." I think we both kinda chuckled about this and went on flying.

In short it all depends on who has the better aim, not the better guns.

Now as to the subject of this thread, I would like more perk planes or lower the perk bar so that I could have more planes to spend my perks on.
I love flying the early war stuff and the fast late war stuff just don't seem that fun, although I am gravitating to the F4U-4 some. I have about 4250 fighter points and really nothing I want to spend them on. I get as many kills in my KI-61 as I do in a perk fighter.

Schatzi · « **Reply #26 on:** January 26, 2006, 06:24:32 AM »

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Originally posted by bagrat
i read here somewhere someone said that it is the person who HOs not the plane and that perking either of these planes would not change that.

I'de have to disagree because people in perk planes tend to be more careful, and if they are reckless enough to contsantly HO in these planes they will eventually run out of perks and not be able to fly them.

That was me bagrat. I agree with you one the account of people being more carful with their perk rides.

But i think perking the Spit/La will not result in the "HO-noobs" flying those planes more carefully, IMHO they will just switch to the next free "best plane" in line and HO away in those. You could probably play that game untill all but the 1939 planes are perked.

SuperDud · « **Reply #27 on:** January 26, 2006, 09:49:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Flayed1
Ok to you guys that seem to think HOing a 110 or IL2 is just crazy.... Welll I beg to differ. Tonight I HO'd both I don't usually try to go for the HO but they pointed their nose at me and I was happy to accept the joust (kinda fun) first was a 110 and I was in an F4U we HO and he hits my engine oil but he dies. Next was Hondo in an IL2 me in Seafire we HO I hit him but he hits me better my wing pops off we laugh about it and continue on. Last is me in A6M5B and Eper in the IL2 we HO I plaster him, he misses me compleatly and it looked like his wing came off. He dies and I tell him on 200 not to HO my Zeke. He replies "I didn't think I could lose." I think we both kinda chuckled about this and went on flying.

Very true Flayed, if the opponent in the 110/IL2 misses, then it's no big deal. But the thing is MOST of the time an IL2/110 just has to put a round or 2 of cannon on you for you to go boom while you have to get some concentrated fire on them. Odds are, you both die or the non-IL2 does. Also how were the HOs set up? Like I said I had 1.5-2k to line up, it's very hard to miss with that much time.

SuperDud · « **Reply #28 on:** January 26, 2006, 09:50:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
That was me bagrat. I agree with you one the account of people being more carful with their perk rides.

But i think perking the Spit/La will not result in the "HO-noobs" flying those planes more carefully, IMHO they will just switch to the next free "best plane" in line and HO away in those. You could probably play that game untill all but the 1939 planes are perked.

Yup, spit8 or 9 has the same ammo load as a 16. A tiffy is almost as fast as a lala and with better guns.

Big G · « **Reply #29 on:** January 26, 2006, 01:42:19 PM »

I wouldn't say 16's are hard to kill, Yaks are tougher, lala queens are just annoying.
Get into a spit 8 and you will easily kill a 16 (if your gig is flying spits)
I find the K4 and the Yak does a good job of killing spit 16's ( I think lol)