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Offline Suave

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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2006, 12:05:45 PM »
The coin will fall down. What do I win?

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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2006, 12:10:51 PM »
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The coin will fall down. What do I win?


A job as the night manager of Iran's nuclear facility.

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2006, 12:24:18 PM »
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Despite Iran's denials, I doubt there's very many in national leadership anywhere that think Iran isn't working towards having nuke weapons rather than "peaceful" use of nuclear power.
Indeed. They reportedly have uranium enrichment centrifuges, including the advanced cascade centrifuges. I'm quoting from memory here, but I thought that nuclear fuel for a power generating reactor needed to be only 3% pure, whereas weapons grade uranium needs to be 70% pure. Centrifuges are not needed to produce nuclear fuel for reactors. But...
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According to Israel, Iran will be able learn how to operate its uranium enrichment centrifuges within 3-6 months - unless it is compelled once more to halt its "research" on enrichment. (See here  for the view of Major General Aharon Zeev-Farkash, the recently retired director of military intelligence.)
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2006, 12:32:54 PM »
If I had heard that some two-bit puppet wanted my country wiped off the map, I would have bombed everywhere that no-good s.o.g. went.

This whole Muslim vs. Jewish thing tee's me off. We should all be lucky to be alive after what went on almost 70 years ago.

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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2006, 12:38:39 PM »
June 6, 2006


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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2006, 12:54:16 PM »
OH NOES!
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2006, 02:00:14 PM »
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>>israeli strike

I don't see us supporting any Israeli strike while we are in Iraq.  


Hopefully we have learned from our mistake with NK.   Just having inspectors present was not enough.  I think the Russian proposal is worth looking into, but it must 'guarantee' Iran will not be able to produce a bomb.  Anything else short of that should not be acceptable...


No flame intended. I am just curious. Could you elaborate on what the "mistake with NK" was / is? If it was a mistake I presume you have a solution or at least a "what we should have done instead of the mistake" option in mind.
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2006, 02:09:27 PM »
Hey Mav..  in my lil underdeveloped brain I see the 'mistake' with NK was in negotiating with them some years back.. the food for promise stuff. They lied, bought time, continued development.

Seems to me, there's no reason for 'em to change.. they've been lying and reneging on treaty agreements for over 50 years.

So why 'negotiate' with a lying, thieving, murderous communist dictators regime at all?
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2006, 02:34:39 PM »
Iran is the tripwire ...

it is a no win situation
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2006, 02:39:12 PM »
Hang, I'd say the mistake was the 2 BILLION DOLLARS for NK to just "Think" about not pursuing nuclear weapons.

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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2006, 02:45:39 PM »
I'm not sure an airstrike will work in this case, I've heard numerous reports that Iran has learned from the strike on Iraq's plant and has spread their facilities around.

Agreed, Israel will do something before Iran becomes a 'nuclear partner', I'm thinking sabotage from within or even assassinations of nuclear scientists might go in conjunction with the airstrikes.
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2006, 02:54:41 PM »
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I'm not sure an airstrike will work in this case, I've heard numerous reports that Iran has learned from the strike on Iraq's plant and has spread their facilities around.
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2006, 04:08:22 PM »
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Hang, I'd say the mistake was the 2 BILLION DOLLARS for NK to just "Think" about not pursuing nuclear weapons.

That's all thanks to our favorite arkansas adulterer...


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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2006, 08:38:31 PM »
It's interesting to me that Washington and London are more concerned about Iran than Iran's neighbors are. Just as Washington is more concerned about North Korea than the South Koreans are. There seems to be a culture of overreaction. I don't think there is any doubt that Ahmadinejad is unsophisticated and clumsy, to say the least.

Now, I'm not an advocate for Iran, but any negotiation requires honestly putting yourself in the shoes of the people across the table to better understand your own position and options - how they will be received, what are their fears and goals, what are the misconceptions of your position and even misconceptions of their position.

So let's step back from the brink of overreaction for a minute and try to understand why Iran seems intent on building a nuclear arsenal and why it is boldly defying intervention. And let's talk about the history of Iran, the US and the UK, so we can understand how leaders like Ahmadinejad come to power and why they find support from their people by thumbing their noses at the west.

Specifically, how the UK history of colonizing the Iranian oil, the CIA-led coup against the secular government, the US and UK deposing of Reza Shah I and the US encouragement of war against Iraq (costing a million Iranian lives) and subsequent double-cross by arming Iraq has built a culture of frustration at the west.

Those facts and history provide the backdrop for understanding their position. It's also important to understand that the inconsistency of foreign policy regarding nuclear nonproliferation has fueled Ahmadinejad's strength. Iran does not harbor Al Qaeda or Taliban-trained suicide bombers, like Pakistan has done and continues to do, yet no one is advocating military intervention.

Pakistan, India, Israel and China are not signers of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, yet they surround Iran. India and Pakistan have even received nuclear cooperation agreements with the US in spite of their refusal to sign the treaty.

I would say that inconsistency of foreign policy and continued outside influence in the affairs of Iran would be key parts of their position.

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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2006, 08:53:46 PM »
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You forgot the New York Times, they've fallen under that umbrella as well and I have recently obtained a secret document that proves it.