Sorry Feds, States and their Citizens DO have rights!

[SOB]

I think your "death mills" scenario is a little bit fantastical, Lazs.  The law, as it currently stands, requires the patient to be diagnosed as being within 6 months of death, and that diagnosis has to be confirmed by a second physician.  And in the first place, this process has to be requested by the individual who is dying.  I can understand why you may not agree with it, and certainly why you might not want it for yourself, but I'd say the chances that it'll ever affect you directly are pretty dang slim.

[Ping]

Originally posted by Yeager
In my opinion liberals in america promote european style socialism, examples include but are not limited to:
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Government welfare for all able bodied who choose not to work

Punitive taxation for those who choose to work

Substandard state mandated healthcare for all (Quality healthcare for none)

Restriction on freedom to own personal firearms

Emphasis on rehab of criminals in place of Punishment, including no capitol punishment for severe crimes against the innocent.

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Its about liberals and conservatives, not  so much about republican or democrat for me.  Conservative democrat trumps a liberal republican EVERY TIME in my book.

OH MY GAWD   You've been to Canada

[FiLtH]

I dont like the idea. I agree w/ Lazs..if you wanna die then do it yourself. Once murder becomes convenient for some victims, it wont be long before it will be at the convenience of the state.

[lazs2]

I just can't believe that we need a law that allows the weak willed to have a physican take em out.  You wanna die?  fine.... go do it... I don't want you to use my doctor to do it.

Doctor wants to give you a script for 100 pills "for pain"  that is fine too.  You really want to go?   take em all.  leave the doctors out of it or change their oath.

lazs

[capt. apathy]

maybe they could just leave you and the gov't out of it and let the doctor and the patient decide on the best course of action.

laz I thought you were for less gov't control in our lives.

[lazs2]

I am... I said that I believe that a person has a right to commit suicide... I don't believe in making doctors tools of the government to do it.

Who do you think is going to "regulate" this new industry?  

lazs

[capt. apathy]

they are not making doctors tools of the gov't.  the law simply removes gov't restriction.  no doctor is required to participate.

the only real gov't involvement is requiring at least 2 doctors to sign off on it before the meds can be prescribed.

serious gov't involvement would be things like taking his medical license for prescribing the meds or charging the doctor with murder for his involvement.

[lazs2]

I also do not believe in people "helping" other people commit suicide other than  "Oh... can't reach the gun?  let me get that for you."  or... "here is your script for pain pills... I am gonna make it out for 6 months worth"

you wanna murder someone?  murder yourself of pull the plug on a criminal..

lazs

[Sandman]

If you don't want assisted suicide, don't get one.

Otherwise, it's none of your business.

[sullie363]

Woot!

To all those oppose, a little history.  When this first passed back in 97, it barely made it through.  About 52% approved or something like that.  Republicans in the legislature didn't really favor this law so they sent it to the voters again where it again passed but this time with over 70% approval.  Basically voters giving to old FU to the state legislature.  Ashcroft then tried about three different ways to kill it with no success, something I never got tired of seeing.  

It is nice to know that if I were to come down with a deadly and crippling condition that I have the option to end it before my family would have to watch me waste away to nothing.  I don't know if I would follow through with such a thing, but Oregon having the guts to support such a law makes me proud to live here.  Also no sales tax and others pump your gas make it nice too.  And that no sales tax things works other places too.  We just bought a car in Washington and didn't have to pay tax