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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2005, 02:26:48 PM »
beet said.... "the world has to be brought to the brink of oil depletion before anyone will sit up and pay attention."

exactly my point!

I am doing my part by driving hot rods and such... Americans are doing their part by not signing stupid treaties and by driving huge SUV's.... at considerable sacrafice to ourselves!

meanwhile.... well meaning but wrong, conservationists and socialists from across the pond are prolonging the problem with expensive gas and stupid high milage cars...

My motto is.... if you ain't driving a big block.... you are part of the problem.

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« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2005, 05:50:38 PM »
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beet said.... "the world has to be brought to the brink of oil depletion before anyone will sit up and pay attention."

exactly my point!
LOL Lazs! OK, so I can see where you're coming from. :aok But that hydrogen fuel cell technology isn't ready yet.

This concept of taking people to the brink reminds me of my working years in IT. If you were to foresee a potential calamity, and fix the problem before it had a chance to occur, you'd get no recognition - you had simply done your job.

But if you let the department fall into a hole such that they had to call you on the pager (as it was then) at 3am to come in to fix something (even if it should never have happened) you'd get hailed as a hero.

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« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2005, 07:06:40 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2005, 08:41:00 AM »
the point beet being... the problem allways get solved.   You and I don't know if we are "ready" for something new... you could read the paper next week and find that a breakthrough in cold fussion or some such was made..

but on a more practical level... right now.. you can buy a house that with $40k solar panel system will net you a $0 output for power..  If the electic companies just shut down nex4t week or browned out every day...

Private industry would rush to make those things as cheap as they could... every contractor in the U.S. would offer "solar packes/upgrades" at competeing prices and with rebates etc... the price would halve in a year or better... Hell... probly be made in china systems at Wall mart.

Or.... we can make ourselves misserable and wring our hands for a decade or so...

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« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2005, 11:39:30 AM »
Too early to say, Lazs. I'm about one third of the way through the book. I've browsed the chapter headings - plenty of doom and gloom to come!

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« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2006, 08:37:11 AM »
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the point beet being... the problem allways get solved.   You and I don't know if we are "ready" for something new... you could read the paper next week and find that a breakthrough in cold fussion or some such was made..
Phew! Just finished reading it today, all 341 pages. It was heavy going.

I never realised the complexity of the "geopolitics" of the world's energy order. It doesn't look as if the ultimate renewable source of energy will have much of an impact by 2030. The book strongly suggests there will be an intermediate energy technology driven by natural gas, which will last about 20 years and will provide a bridge, while a longer term solution is developed. But I very much doubt that a solution will pop up "next week". And... oil consumption is set to increase as China and India develop their economies.

One of the problems the author cites is that many figures in the US government are hand picked oilmen, and that W has tried to solve the energy crisis with calls for higher production, instead of making more efficient use of what we already have, and looking to the future of new fuels. The oil industry is being run like any other business - the more the oil companies sell, the higher are there profits. So it's no wonder that W is less than enthusiastic about a future without oil. I don't think the author likes W much.

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« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2006, 08:44:07 AM »
20 years is next week in the grand schem of things.

So the author has better sources than the U.S. government and knows that the government is getting bad info from oilmen who don't really know about U.S. oil like he does?

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« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2006, 10:30:00 AM »
Just noticed this thread. You read 341 pages beet1e to get that? I thought I told you that about a year ago... and I used letters and words recycled from other words and even recycled pixels. :)

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« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2006, 10:59:19 AM »
Actually I don't have to read this book. I read several books in the mid and late 70's by some of the best scientific minds of the day that stated we would be completely out of oil by 1994. So since there has been no oil drilled for over 12 years, why bother.

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« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2006, 02:45:54 PM »
I've mentioned in posts that I have a new Hemi Ram. On the center headliner computer, it has a feature built in to calculate mpg. They advertise 14city/18highway, but since I have a lead foot at stoplights, I'm currently getting 10.6mpg.

But it's huge and when the nuclear war/meteor/super volcano/alien invasion/insert cliche here happens it will hold a large spear gun in the bed and have a cowcatcher on the front with spikes and stuff as I make my way Mad Max-like across the highways.

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« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2006, 05:33:06 PM »
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So the author has better sources than the U.S. government


read the book,
you still dont get it, this goverment IS oil.
In your world the goverment is holy, so i doubt
reading the book will change anything.

anyway, it was just a suggestion.

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« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2006, 05:53:07 PM »
This just in. Experts have reported that we're all going to die. Someday.
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