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Gianlupo · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2006, 09:55:54 AM »

Well, the introduction of mid-late war U.S. planes should erode the B'n'Z advantage for the LW, shouldn't it?

Have · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2006, 10:00:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Well, the introduction of mid-late war U.S. planes should erode the B'n'Z advantage for the LW, shouldn't it?

Yep, and what does that leave for the LW planes when they cannot turnfight nor B'n'Z?

FiLtH · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2006, 10:34:44 AM »

Eventual defeat I would think.

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2006, 10:46:46 AM »

Exactly, Have.

I'll keep playing it for now as I think it's better than the fights in the MA.

I think that eventually something must change. For this to thrive I think players on both sides will want to have both the B&Z AND the Turnfite option available in the hangar.

It seems with the "historical" planesets one side or the other always has an advantage that dictates the fight.

Kev367th · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2006, 10:57:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Well, the introduction of mid-late war U.S. planes should erode the B'n'Z advantage for the LW, shouldn't it?

Waiting for 44 to see what happens when the RAF gets -
Spit XIV
Spit XVI
Tempest

XIV and Temp should be really interesting as people don't have to worry about losing perks.
Might get to see exactly what they can do.

kamilyun · « **Reply #35 on:** January 31, 2006, 11:32:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Exactly, Have.

I'll keep playing it for now as I think it's better than the fights in the MA.

I think that eventually something must change. For this to thrive I think players on both sides will want to have both the B&Z AND the Turnfite option available in the hangar.

It seems with the "historical" planesets one side or the other always has an advantage that dictates the fight.

I see your point (in this post and previous ones) Toad. But, this match-up of different styles with the BnZ Luftwaffies dominating will evolve during the course of the war. But it has quite a lot to do with "total immersion" as Mars mentioned.

I started this AvA "Tour" as a German and only switch sides when the #'s get out of hand. Right now we have the advantage with the 190A-5. But this will soon change (I'll stay German) as the Spit 9, 14, and 16 get involved. Not to mention the Tiffy, Tempest, Ponies and Jugs that will show up soon to. With these, there will be no more running for the 109s and 190s.

Might be frustrating for the Brits right now, but things will soon change. Heck...I hope that we Germans get out-numbered in '44 and '45 to give the feel of desperation.

There have also been great altitude fights. I know that this is the bane of some furballers' existence (having to climb for 10-15 minutes), but it's worth it to see some of these planes perform at their best altitudes.

Toad · « **Reply #36 on:** January 31, 2006, 11:35:37 AM »

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Might be frustrating for the Brits right now,

Frustration is the key. Who really wants to be a punching bag for anyone for very long?

Like I said, I'll stick with it a while as finding a decent fight in the MA is nigh on to impossible lately. You do get decent fights AvA but the frustration factor may prove to be a serious negative.

We should ask ourselves again: so why didn't the CT ever thrive for any long period?

kamilyun · « **Reply #37 on:** January 31, 2006, 11:37:04 AM »

Also, I'm amazed at the performance of the A-5 when in it's proper environment with contemporary planes. It flies with impunity against the Hurri IIc and Spit V.

I don't think anyone can make the case that Luftwaffe planes are porked. MA style of play is just not conducive to their strengths as mid to hi-alt performers.

kamilyun · « **Reply #38 on:** January 31, 2006, 11:42:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Frustration is the key. Who really wants to be a punching bag for anyone for very long?

Like I said, I'll stick with it a while as finding a decent fight in the MA is nigh on to impossible lately. You do get decent fights AvA but the frustration factor may prove to be a serious negative.

We should ask ourselves again: so why didn't the CT ever thrive for any long period?

Well, I think the fact that the plane set changes every 3 days is good and the Brits have some good planes to look forward to.

The AvA just takes a slightly different mindset. It really does involve some emotion (can I say that?

) in that you really do feel the frustration and desparation of the Brits in the BoB. Outnumbered, out-classed, but hung on by the skin of their teeth. That has to be accepted and appreciated when choosing to fly for the Brits in the early war.

It will turn soon. Hopefully the Germans fields will be under vulch (that's how many 262s got killed, right?) and I'll get killed more often trying to land kills in a Ta152 or D9. But I accept that and know that that's just what happened in 44 and 45.

Sable · « **Reply #39 on:** January 31, 2006, 11:48:27 AM »

Ultimately the game is about fun. This is the first time this setup has been run. The whole idea was to create the dissimilar matchups that actually occured IRL - if it stops being fun and people stop playing it, then changes will be made to the setup. And I'm sure something completely different will get run after this month as we'll all need a break from Spits and 109s and 190s.

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2006, 12:51:19 PM »

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We should ask ourselves again: so why didn't the CT ever thrive for any long period?

Strat.

RTSigma · « **Reply #41 on:** January 31, 2006, 02:04:02 PM »

I hope this great idea stays for forever, I can't wait to re-sub and dedicated practically 90% my AH life to AvA.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 31, 2006, 02:52:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Frustration is the key. Who really wants to be a punching bag for anyone for very long?

Like I said, I'll stick with it a while as finding a decent fight in the MA is nigh on to impossible lately. You do get decent fights AvA but the frustration factor may prove to be a serious negative.

We should ask ourselves again: so why didn't the CT ever thrive for any long period?

You really want to start the "why did the CT die" argument again? That horse has been dead a long time. Leave the poor thing alone.

There were too many reasons to list, and many of them have been corrected. Many more still are waiting. Apparently enough have been fixed to allow a group to enjoy the arena again. As long as we keep the baseline we have now, and can continue to improve the areas that need work, there is no reason why the AvA arena cannot be more popular than the CT ever was in AH1.

mars01 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 31, 2006, 03:01:14 PM »

RGR that BAT - For the record the nonsense was never targeted at you. You unfortunately got entangled in it and we couldn't risk blowing it's cover by telling you. None of us wanted you to get wrapped up in it, we all saw you as a friend and hoped you would have seen the humor and have laughed it off. A lot of us are hoping this will eventually happen.

~~bud.~~

mars01 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 31, 2006, 03:09:00 PM »

As to the TnB Vs the BnZ - Well I guess it is just pilot mentality. But for the majority Toad is right.

I often fly the LW as TnB as I have seen others do as well. I will start this way cause it is more fun for everyone, myself included. Of course when you run into an exceptional TnB pilot you are going to die after a great fight or you will need to extend and start a BnZ attack.

I do notice when the "I can only BnZ" or "I won't take any risks" crowd are in there the arena is no better than the MA. Luckly out of all the times I have been in the AVA the last two weeks, I only ran into this crowd early evening last night. You can always tell who they are cause even with the numbers thay are climbing to 15k rather than fighting.