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Drummer

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2001, 05:57:00 PM »
I usually only read this board but this time couldn't resist...

YOU GUYS ARE SICK!!!  

Seems that you simply can't live without an enemy to lead you holy war against, eh?  
You still believe that
the whole world wants to destroy USA, right?   I doubt there is second such brainwashed and xenophobic nation on earth.

Take care guys... and better dig some more shelters, beacause you know... Russians have 5000 nuclear rockets aimed at your schools and groceries hahahaha  

All the best

Drummer

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Feel free to flame me - I am all that you hate: I'm a Pollack, a socialist and an atheist and I find you, Americans extremely funny  

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2001, 06:13:00 PM »
hmm, I think pollacks are out to get america, we must lead a holy war against them now..

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2001, 06:24:00 PM »
BEWARE THE YELLOW MENACE!!! lol and there pink buddy as well. China is making money hand over fist in the us. Russia is plagued by crime aids and morale decay. So what if putin cracks the whip to get his country turned around. I saw NIGHTLINE the other night where they interviewed 3 people who put together a report on future threat evaluations and it seemed focused on terrorism (state and independent) and it seems to me that China would not want to bite the hand that is driving its economy and that a russia that is strong internally and externally doesn't mean they are out to get us. Any nuclear attack from either of them would mean mutual destruction and if Russia can be made strong (economically as well as militarily) they will be less likely to pedal thier weapons technology on the world market. I am no Dem or Rep. they both represent the 2 arms of the same body politic where consumerism wins out over everything else. The fact that we are exporting this crap to the rest of the world through our influence (polical, economic, military and culture; ie media television aand hollywood)ensures that a certain segment of the world will always view us as "the great Satan" Sharing our values with the world is not the same as Marketing them. 'cause some people aint buyin it
 
ps.... as for putin opposing misile defense is because it upsets the balance of power and lends credence to what those who are suspicious of the US any and while we are developing such a system what if the russian generals take it upon themselves to launch or more likely it will put putin in a tough political situation that actually isolates him from the US to satisfy hardliners. It seems to me that we better look to home for our enemies before we run out and create somemore.
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2001, 07:16:00 PM »
It's my understanding that it just the idea of a Star Wars defense system which "encouraged" the USSR to break up. Personally I'd rather have the biggest gun on block or make the others think I had.

Yes, China makes $$ off the US but that is because labor is dirt cheap there. Look at our trade deficit. Just keeps geting bigger and bigger.

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2001, 07:36:00 PM »
But you do see what kind of a world that makes right... a world of resentment and distrust of those who hold the "big gun" and sooner or later someone will come lookin for the man with the "big gun"..
I know all about the labor conditions in China thats not the point the fact that thier economy is becoming more dependent on US imports reduces the likelyhood of an attack on the US. The reason the USSR broke up was caused by thier attempt to match US defense spending which collapsed thier economy (among many other internal factors) this was due to star wars and many other things but not solely caused by star wars.

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2001, 10:16:00 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2001, 10:27:00 PM »
where do you buy your crack ? you guys sound as if you want a war. we have enough nukes left over from reagan to erase the world. now we make ourselves invunerable? are you incapable of understanding what that means to the rest of the world ?  


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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2001, 10:58:00 PM »
Well i dont think i could pick a better country to have as "invulnerable"  I sure as hell wouldent want china to be.  They dont even have respect for their own people, they would really get out of control if they knew or even though that they could get away with some crazy toejam without fear or reprisal.  I hate nukes, I think a country should should NEVER whield that much firepower or have the capablilty to, however you cannot expect any country much less china to not have them just because of moral responsability.  If the US said "we are going to get rid of ALL of our Nukes becasue we feel having them is morally wrong and we hope you do the same" China would say "hmm thats nice........idiot"  As long as the technology exists people will make use of it regardless of weather its fundamentally right or not, you just have to hope the country that has the most of it will act responsably.  Its a basic idolagy,
"if its available, get it even if ya dont use it, get it cause if you dont get it and someone else does, and you dont have it, they know they can use it against you and you got nothin"

In other words the only thing worse than all countries having nukes or any other weapon that offers such an advantage is only 2 or 3 countries having them.

The missle defense system is just that DEFENSE, cant attack much with it its just there to protect, however keeping that in mind I dont think the gov would trust it enough to abuse it I.E. launch an un provoked attack and rely on it shooting down any reprisals, they will be just as frugal with nukes as always, the missle defence is there for those 3rd world regimes who just dont give a damn, and dont mind being erased from existance as long as they can damage the evel west, kinda like a very large scale suicide bomber.

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2001, 11:57:00 PM »
 I read somewhere, the Chinese are targeting our breweries. This is serious, guys.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2001, 12:16:00 AM »
LOL!,
leave my Ziegenbach(sp) alone  

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2001, 12:59:00 AM »
I agree with mrfish, it's an economic move by the two countries.  Last thing Russia wants is a war.  All you have to do is live outside the USA for a number of months to see how prevalent US marketing is throughout the world.  These two countries want to challenge that dominancy economically, nothing more.  Happens all the time in business  
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2001, 09:22:00 AM »
Gosh, I love you Paranoid Republicans.  You're too much.

First, any economic good, or really anything good at all that happened for the last eight years was because of the hard work of Republicans, done while Bill Clinton sitting on his ass.

Then, we find out through Paranoid Internet Journalism, that the reason China and Russia didn't attack the US during Clinton's tenure in office, was because they wanted to sit back and let him undermine the military further.

Well, I guess the good thing is that I'll never think to myself, "Well, they can't get any freakin' weirder than this..." or "At least that's the boundary of their paranoia..."

Um...on the contrary, Russia wasn't real happy with us over how we handled the Balkans.  That's the reason they were unhappy then, and they're a little cranky now.  Clinton gracefully, without calling them an "Evil Empire", told them politely he begged to differ with their opinion, and would need to continue on with what he believed was right for the US and the world.  

I guess if you want to believe they sat quietly in the background, and ignore all the statements made by Russia during that exercise, because you'd rather think they were sitting back, quietly letting Bill Clinton single-handedly destroy the military, you can.

And the idea that now they're on the prowl again, because they realize they've got a REAL MAN in the White House...oh, Lord, save us all...

And you know, Paranoid Republicans always accuse Democrats of not wanting to spend money on the military.

Well, you see, the Democrats just like to spend SMART money on weapons, not implausable Missile Defense Systems, or bombers that don't have a place in the world anymore, like B-1's.

B-2's seemed to have worked okay, they just have to fly a hell of a long way from my home state, and to fix that, DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, wheels were put in motion to build bases around the world that could be used in time of war to make for shorter flying times for the air crews when engaged in war.

Jimmy Carter should have a statue made of him in front of the Pentagon.  If it weren't for his dogged insistence, cruise missiles wouldn't be at the level they are today.

It was he who first opposed the B-1 bomber as being too expensive, without a truly definitive role in the modern day field of combat, and lauded the use of cruise missiles carried by B-52's.  Seems to work pretty whoopeeed good, eh gentlemen?

Now don't get me wrong.  I AM a guy, and to a guy, the B-1 is real good lookin'.  I definitely think we should keep a few around, just to show that the US is populated by a bunch of really cool guys, who can build really cool-lookin' planes.  But if I'm a driver, I'd much rather be drivin' a B-2 into combat in the modern arena.

What Democrats have proposed instead of a Star Wars-like shield of protection that covers the nation like a blanket (which many really intelligent people doubt would ever work in the first place), is to base mobile missile platforms on ships, and position them around possible trouble-makers.

The missiles these missile-boats would carry, are a lot closer to actually working, given the technology we have now, because they would be designed to get missiles RIGHT AFTER LAUNCH, away from the US, on their WAY UP.

It's a lot easier to feed data into a missile and have it kill a missile as that missile is struggling upward against the Earth's gravity, than it is after it has started it's downward trajectory.

So let's just drop this idea that Democrats are a bunch of wussies who want to take guns out of soldiers' hands, and make them plant roses in Hillary's garden.  

While you Paranoid Republicans have been dancing around peeing on yourselves, the F-22 has continued to be developed further, and incredible ideas regarding the battlefield of the future have been being realized right and left.

Manned and unmanned aircraft and armor, unmanned spy planes, etc.  I think we're still working on a little thing called "Aurora," and the space shuttle has done more military investigation flights than many pure scientists would have liked.

Probably the major problem facing the military today is how to get young, intelligent kids interested in trading four years of their lives for service to their country.

Maybe if we didn't go around preaching hate for our leaders, and spending money on ridiculous weapons that won't work, but give us brownie points with old buddies who have become consultants to weapons manufacturers, we'd have some money to raise pay levels in the military, and possibly entice more young, intelligent people into their ranks.

I'm sure there's folks out there who could dredge up more ridiculous ideas that came up during the Reagan years than I can, but I think we all know there was a bunch of stuff that happened that resulted in nothing more than military masturbation.

The York Gun comes to mind.  What a ridiculous weapon to name after one of our greatest heroes.  

Anyway, don't fool yourself into thinking Democrats want to strangle our military.  Rather, they want to make sure that the soldiers who hit the line have good, solid weapons that work, and have a good chance of improving survival.  

If I were in the infantry, probably one of my favorite weapons would plane and ship fired cruise missiles, and Hellfires launched from Apaches.

So if you REALLY want to help this country, stop squeaking about people who aren't around anymore.

Start leading by example instead.  I know, I know, you're a Republican, and it's easier to squeak than it is to lead, but just give it a shot for a change.

Start investigating what weapons are being proposed, and then really look into them, and see what YOU think, as opposed to what someone says.

And by spending money wisely, let's start trying to make a military enlistment, even a career, a lucrative alternative to working at a Taco Bell.  

And let's start talking about the future, and the greatness of our nation, instead of continuing to talk about somebody getting a blow-job.

Hell.  Maybe we should talk about getting you guys one.  Maybe if you got one occasionally, you wouldn't be so obsessed with it.

Mk

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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »
MK

Yes, I'm a Republican but I'm not paranoid. Just posting info for thread material.
Hell, I don't even own a gun   And my sex life is fine, but thanks for the offer MK  

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Don't miss the schedule B-2 fly over at the start of the SuperBowl. If the weather holds (clear and 65 today), it should be awesome. I believe some F-117's from MacDill AF base are scheduled to buzz the stadium too.

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2001, 10:33:00 AM »
Well shoot Eagler, mine isn't.  Can you help a brother out?  




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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2001, 11:09:00 AM »
I wish more people would see the movie "Dr. Strangelove".  It'd expose alarmist rhetoric for what it is.

"Mr President! We cannot allow a Mine-shaft Gap!!" - Gen. Buck Turgidson.

*shaking head*
Jay.