How to disable Joystick without a Joystick attached?

[Setsunaaa]

I stumbled over aces v1.061, the I got here ad got the new version.
Now I have a problem: I have no Joystick attached, and the in-game info shows that the x/y axis are at the (usally impossible) values of 32768.

When I start a game (trying mouse control like in the old 1.061 version) I get "Don't move your controls so rapidly" which is partly right sind the normal joystick-max values are around +-500. The view spins like hell until I crash uncontrolled. From outside view this looks very funny, the whole plane is spinning in every direction before it even started.

I cannot disable the joystick, the menu shows the second card spinning around, and when not spinning it is unclickable, how can I get around this problem to set the controlls the way I want them? Which .cfg file in settings\*.cfg do I have to whack or edit?

[Setsunaaa]

After QUITE a few tries I was able to set the controls to mouse, the menu behaves sometimes normal, sometime I have to start the game often until it ignores the joystick values.
But upon the next start it happens again, even at the startup I can see the control page spinning (like it the image shown under the link)

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/1176/wakomenu3qv.jpg

Hitting "print screen" key repeatetly makes the card spin on.

Technical: The old joystick port is disabled by BIOS, and no USB joystick is attached.

[Pooface]

try this for me:



go to that same setup page, and click on the mouse in left hand box. then click set all inputs. try this out again, and if it doesnt work, come back here.


also, you will get the dont move your controls so rapidly message even if it is setup just fine. just try to be a litttle more gentile. and if you can, it would be advisable to buy a cheap joystick, you will learn much faster and have lots more fun.


good luck, and welcome to aces high:aok

[Schatzi]

I have encountered this "hypersensitive mouse" problem as well. Or rather i tried to help new players that had it.


Sometimes highlighting the mouse on the list and click pn "SET ALL INPUTS" solved the issue. Sometimes a simple relog did it. But unfortunatly i never found a true "cure" for the problem.

Setsunaaa, have you tried simply deleting the stick.cfg in your settings folder?



Now I know that officially mouse flight isnt supported anymore, but there are a considerable amount of players that try the game out, and after a day or two, when they decide they like it go buy a Joystick. So maybe Skuzzy has an idea as to what to do with this issue?






Edit: Pooface, this has nothing to do with being gentle or not. I managed to reproduce the problem once, on my own PC. I swear, even *looking* at the mouse made the plane spin. Completely erratic and hypersensitive input.

[zorstorer]

Schatzi are you using an optical mouse?  Sometimes mine will fly around the screen like a banshee

[Schatzi]

No, your common, balled and wired PS2 mouse.


As I said i could reproduce this by trying to "calibrate" my Joystick when it wasnt plugged (ie i was on AH mouse). a simple relog fixed it. Since then, ive had more then one newbie in TA with the very same problem, that i couldnt really help much besides saying that a relog or "SET ALL INPUTS" might fix it.

It would be great to find a more reliable fix for the problem. Difficult since im not sure what causes it.

[Setsunaaa]

Pooface wrote:
> go to that same setup page, and click on the mouse in left hand box.

Tried before, calmed down the spin, but no mouse control for the plane.

Pooface wrote on:
> also, you will get the dont move your controls so rapidly message even if it is setup just fine.

You cannot imagine my laughter .
Can you see the frame rate counter? Imagine no looking forward, imagine that every single frame I can see (screen refresh at 100 Hz) you look in a completely different direction?
maybe I'll have to record that for the fun of it and post it..

Schatzi wrote:
> Now I know that officially mouse flight isnt supported anymore

That explains why I cannot control the plane using the mouse, but I can in the old version. Dammit, I play a lot flying games using the mouse, I do have my old wingman digital extreme here..
But I don#t LIKE using a Joystick, NONE of the have a perfect center, they are allways a little off ot the left/right/up/down, no matter how much you adjust, the are alwayws off. That is why I got back to the mouse for most flying games---
center = center.

Or keyboard on more simple flying environments (like Crimson Skies).

Oh, BTW: is is not the hypersensitive mouse problem. And I can confirm the optical mouse problems too, mouse wandering 'round with no movement, or jumping somewhere else, funny in FPS games.

Oh it is a (old) DualOptical logitech USB mouse. No PS/2, with PS/2 the mouse movement ist slower since the PS/2 port isn't polled that often for mouse movement (about 30/s if I remember, can be hacked to 80, USB is always 120).

AAAAgh, Flying with joystick again, I hate it.
I need two hands, one for the stick (which doesn't center cleanly, NONE does), one to keep it at the place. Leaves no hand free for my 112-key-gamepad (+ 3 windows keys).



A combo of your tips seems to work + hacking 'round the .cfg files.

However, at about 75% of starting up aces I see that aces uses an non existant joystick + mouse config, if aces ignores the none existing joystick it is controllable, more or less.

I probably have to accept that this game is unplayable without a joystick simply 'cause the programmer wanted it that way and doesn't support it different, e.g. never want's to support mouse again.

Especially strange since the old v 1.0.6.1 Aces High supports the mouse perfectly, without any problems.

Thanks for your replys!

[Schatzi]

Well, mouse flying isnt officially supported (see system requirements). But it is quite possible and i know of a few pretty good "sticks" that do it. So i wouldnt give up that fast if you really prefer to fly mouse. Have you considered trying another (PS2) mouse? Maybe its the USB that gets AH confused.

But besides that. Youll never be able to use all possibilities in AH with a mouse (Rudder, views, only to name a few of the difficulties).  So maybe getting yourself a good Joystick (With throttle, hatswitch, rudder and minimum 8 buttons) will make you more happy in the long run. The center JS trouble should be remedied by calibration - otherwise what you experience as a drift/roll isnt control input, but your planes engine torque.


Anyway, welcome to AH2!