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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2006, 11:31:14 AM »
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Maybe law enforcement officials should be prosecuted when they arrest someone who they know hasnt actually committed a crime?  Seems to me doing so should be prosecuted as a violation of civil rights.


Maybe you should get a clue about a couple things. False arrest is a criminal prosecution and is almost never prosecuted against anyone other than LE. Civil rights violations are a common and rather vociferous claim made in arrest situations and I have no personal knowledge of any civil rights violation prosecution against anyone other than LE personnel.

Again, I am not saying the arrest was proper, just that there may have been more to the story than the clip shows. If he screwed up, he screwed up. That is one of the reasons for an office of internal affairs as well as public trials including those of Govt. officials.
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2006, 11:33:39 AM »
I hope they forced her to eat some yummy ham, that would set her back on the straight and narrow.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2006, 11:38:46 AM »
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You have a propensity for swallowing whole any media stories that fit your left wing ideology.  Many rightwingers do the same thing.
Gunthr, what makes you think that I'm a leftwinger?  I didn't vote democrat or green or hippy, get your stories straight.

I look forward to hearing what you think a reasonable excuse for being arrested for writing down a license plate number is.  The arresting officer himself stated that THAT was the reason she was arrested, so there's no mystery about that.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2006, 11:40:34 AM »
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Maybe you should get a clue about a couple things. False arrest is a criminal prosecution and is almost never prosecuted against anyone other than LE. Civil rights violations are a common and rather vociferous claim made in arrest situations and I have no personal knowledge of any civil rights violation prosecution against anyone other than LE personnel.

Again, I am not saying the arrest was proper, just that there may have been more to the story than the clip shows. If he screwed up, he screwed up. That is one of the reasons for an office of internal affairs as well as public trials including those of Govt. officials.




Typical police mentality is that the laws do not apply to them, they can do as they please and screw the rights of the citizen, even those who havent committed a crime.

Here is my take, if a police officer arrests me knowing I did nothing wrong, if he takes me into custody with that knowledge, handcuffs me and takes me into his car, he should be prosecuted for kidnapping and denial of civil rights.  Give him twenty five years to sit and think about abusing his position.

We will need all the facts in the case to condemn the officer or the "victim", but I for one am getting damn tired of egomanical cops with some god-complex taking advantage of their authority.  Try and tell me that doesnt happen.

Maybe he could have told her to stand up, then shot her 3 times when she obeyed?

Now there is a guy who should be prosecuted for attempted murder, and a whole list of other crimes.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2006, 11:44:42 AM »
Our public law enforcement operates in the open in the US.  They're subject to nearly unlimited public scrutiny, and there is no law that restricts thorough documentation of law enforcement activities by anyone, citizens, suspects, media, etc.  It's our main check against law enforcement abuse.  Maybe the protestor was going to take the plate number to her lawyer for use as evidence against the department of State Security for abuses of power.  But that cop prevented the lawful collection and documentation of information/evidence that was already in the public domain (a license plate in the middle of the street).  That opens up a whole can of whoop-a** on that cop and his organization beyond unlawful arrest, as they basically intervened to destroy evidence.

The cop's defense of course is that citizens are not allowed to interfere with ongoing investigations, and they can do pretty much whatever they want if they think anyone is interfering with an ongoing investigation.  That is how police in the "real world" can keep gangs from assigning kids to shadow cops with a bullhorn shouting "the guy in front of me is an undercover cop" over and over.  Interference with legit law enforcement efforts is not protected.  In this case, that justification is pretty much bogus as the SS detective was out in the open covering a public event, and hopefully that will come out in court.

I hope the ACLU pulls out the big guns on this.
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2006, 11:45:12 AM »
Chairboy,

Please point out where I said he was right. Please point out either of my post's where I said the arrest was proper.

All I said was that there has only been one side of the story put out here in this thread. I did NOT say it was incorrect or not true, I just said that it was only one side of it. I also said there may be more to it that what you saw in the story. If you want to think that because I said that, that I am supporting the officer that is your problem.

Now you make of it what you will. I am not responsible for your assumptions, inferences or prejudice.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2006, 11:53:03 AM »
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0204-04.htm

They've been doing it for year's now.  Some of you 'Right wingers', to use a grouping label, should ask yourselves how you'd react if Cilnton did such things.... I thought 'conservatives' were aginst a big goverment?  Shows what I know :confused:

It suprises me that some of you so called 'Patriots' support such un-American activities.

I prefer to live moraly..........The dissconnect I find with 'lawful' society is...... Why are our most minor infigments of the law punished most severly?

Why is it, when the major laws of our country are broken, does noone care?

There is a systematic effort to by-pass judical checks and balances IMO..... and who is going to stop Bush and Co.?  On the flip side.......What happens when the Democrats win and you  can't protest thier platform without being arrested?
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2006, 11:55:15 AM »
I had a long message typed out on this that equated to: "You all realize that this is exactly what the nation wanted post 9/11 (left and right)... right?" but it then occured to me that this forum has the political aptitude of a 15 year old girl. Please continue handwaiving over a news story that was designed to get people hand waiving.

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2006, 12:00:34 PM »
"You all realize that this is exactly what the nation wanted post 9/11 (left and right)... right?"

Maybe for some cowards.  I'm not afraid, and never was.

Bush looks scared to me.  What a coward.

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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2006, 12:17:40 PM »
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Gunthr, what makes you think that I'm a leftwinger? I didn't vote democrat or green or hippy, get your stories straight.

I look forward to hearing what you think a reasonable excuse for being arrested for writing down a license plate number is. The arresting officer himself stated that THAT was the reason she was arrested, so there's no mystery about that. - Chairboy


1. I believe you are a left winger based on the content of your political posts.  By that I mean "liberal."  Correct me if I'm wrong.

2. I reach no conclusion on this arrest because I don't know what the charges were as they pertain to Federal and State Law, and I haven't seen the Probable Cause Affidavit.
Newpaper accounts, as you should know, are NOTORIOUS for getting their facts incorrect.  The arrest may or may not be lawful.  I'm merely saying that I don't know.  

I point this out because in another thread, your thread title stated that proposed legislation by a  conservative lawmaker would  make protesting illegal.  That was obviously false, but a trap a lot of us tend to fall into - of automatically believing what we read in a blog or elsewhere in the media - if it fits our ideology.

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2006, 12:17:57 PM »
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I had a long message typed out on this that equated to: "You all realize that this is exactly what the nation wanted post 9/11 (left and right)... right?" but it then occured to me that this forum has the political aptitude of a 15 year old girl. Please continue handwaiving over a news story that was designed to get people hand waiving.
not everyone wanted this, more like 600 odd people living in lala land, a majical place bordered by virginia and maryland.

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2006, 12:34:48 PM »
And lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater in considering wether surveillance of eco/animal rights terrorists is a legitimate government function:



http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/arterror.htm
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2006, 12:39:22 PM »
True story. I was driving behind an old volvo that had no working brake lights. At a light I was to the side and behind the car(unable to actually signal him)so what I did was write down his plate and call the local police station. I left them a message giving them the plate number car type and color and then went to the super market. About 40 minutes later on the drive home I see another blue volvo and said to myself that looks like the same volvo. I looked at the license plate AND IT WAS the same volvo. This time I was able to stop at the light next to him. His window was down so I yelled over to him and said "excuse me did you know your brake lights are out?" He replied sadly "No I didn't, but I did just get a ticket for it"  I almost burst out in laughter over it, but what I really felt was proud that it may have been me than got attention put towards his hazardous vehicle, even though he seemed like a nice guy and didnt have any real way to know his lights werent working. Maybe It stopped a potential accident from happening as well? Especially a night time one.



Guess what I am saying is, writing down someones license plate can be a  goooood thing.

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2006, 12:56:14 PM »
Some of you guys need to calm down and read the title of the article.  If it mentions the letters A C L U wich it does, everything in the article needs to be taken witha  grain of salt.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2006, 01:32:42 PM »
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Some of you guys need to calm down and read the title of the article.  If it mentions the letters A C L U wich it does, everything in the article needs to be taken witha  grain of salt.


hehehe True enough.
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