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Offline Ripsnort

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Fear of the future:
« on: September 14, 2000, 12:18:00 PM »
Monday, September 11, 2000 12:01 a.m. EDT

                     Last week I found myself trying to understand Al Gore's Social Security reform. (I know,
                     it's an exciting life.) The plan comes in two parts. One does absolutely nothing about the
                     impending boomer crunch except to make it worse, but the other made my hair frizz.

                     The scary part is called Retirement Savings Plus (although the money can also be used to
                     pay for college or buy a house). It provides for individual savings accounts but--oh,
                     mama--listen to how Mr. Gore wants to fund them.

                     As I read it, everybody and anybody who earns less than $100,000 a year could set
                     aside some of their own money and then have government step in with a big fat subsidy to
                     total $2,000 a year a person. Lower-income people could contribute up to $500 a year
                     and have government match every dollar with $3. Middle-income people could set aside
                     $1,000 and have government match every dollar with another dollar. And upper income
                     people could plop down $1,500 and get 33 cents for every dollar.

                     Since this sounded like one gargantuan giveaway, I wondered--as you probably
                     are--how much this would cost. Well, I phoned John Cogan, an economist at the Hoover
                     Institution and the fastest numbers man in the West. Mr. Cogan is also advising the Bush
                     campaign, so I figured he would have the figures. He was ready for me.

                     Using Internal Revenue Service data, Mr. Cogan estimates that more than 100 million
                     people would be eligible and, if they all maxed out on government money (which of
                     course is money that originally belonged to you and me), the total tab would come to
                     $160 billion. That's correct--$160 billion for one year, or roughly 16% of current federal
                     tax revenue.

                     I started making shrieking-type noises, but Mr. Cogan--who is fair and calm--pointed out
                     that not every eligible person would participate. So, assuming the same rate as the rate
                     for people who elect to participate in private pensions (about 75%), Mr. Cogan
                     tap-tapped on his calculator for a new number. And it wasn't all that comforting,
                     either--$120 billion, or 12% of federal tax revenue.

                     Is Mr. Gore out of his mind? Maybe. At the very least, he must be mathematically
                     challenged. He has estimated the cost of his program at $35 billion.

                     So I asked Mr. Cogan what the deal was. Again, in his typically fair and calm fashion, he
                     speculated that Mr. Gore, quite possibly, has not fully disclosed his restrictions on
                     eligibility. A Gore aide did mention last week that people earning less than $5,000 a year,
                     full-time students and retired people would be excluded. But, as Mr. Cogan noted, those
                     exclusions aren't sufficient to even come close to $35 billion.

                     Instead, Mr. Cogan offered a scenario that the Gore camp may have in mind, given the
                     fact that lower income people would have difficulty in ponying up $500 a year. Mr.
                     Gore's $35 billion would be consistent with a plan in which only 5% of lower-income
                     households and 50% of middle- and upper-income households participate.

                     Simply put, no matter how one slices and dices the numbers, the only way to get the
                     numbers down to Mr. Gore's estimate is to exclude those who really need the boost.

                     But there's more. Remember the other part of Mr. Gore's Social Security reform? The
                     one that just leaves the system unreformed? This part calls for government to use the
                     Social Security surplus to pay down the debt, thereby saving on interest costs. These
                     savings would be used to "buy" government bonds that would be put in a "lock box" until
                     the boomers start to retire and the system faces bankruptcy. So how much are we talking
                     about? Mr. Cogan's lowest estimate is $34 trillion.

                     More shrieking from me. But, as Mr. Cogan pointed out, the exact figure really doesn't
                     matter. This scheme is just pie-in-the-sky, since no assets are created (printing up bonds
                     is just a paper transaction). So what happens when the bill for Social Security becomes
                     due? Mr. Cogan, still remarkably fair and calm, said that there were three choices: Either
                     taxes would have to be raised by 25%, or benefits would have to be cut by 25%, or the
                     bonds would have to be rolled over for another generation of taxpayers to redeem
                     by--you guessed it--paying more taxes or enjoying less benefits.

                     In other words--and I was really squeaking here--Mr. Gore's retirement plan will
                     generate a total tax increase of 37% to 41%? "Call it 40%," said Mr. Cogan.

                     I was speechless at this point, so Mr. Cogan added that he thought the whole thing was a
                     liberal fantasy, and there was no way that Mr. Gore could enact such an enormous
                     entitlement program. Well, I think Mr. Cogan is being just a little too fair and a little too
                     calm. The inventor of the Internet has had one fantasy too many for my taste.

                     Ms. Lee, an economist, is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board.

Offline ygsmilo

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2000, 01:14:00 PM »
I have had my retirement plan in place for the past 15 years.

I use this amount for my social security benifits=  $ 0.00

I pay into the program but expect nothing in return.  If I get something fine, but I would rather depend on my own plan to provide for me and my family.


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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2000, 01:24:00 PM »
Ditto Milo, lets face it, there ain't gonna be no S.S. by the time we're 67 (the est. time we'll receive it if you're between 35-40 yrs. old)

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2000, 01:53:00 PM »
I just wish GWB was a stronger candidate. Whoever is running that campaign should be fired immediately!!!!

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Offline Tac

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2000, 02:24:00 PM »
howd this post get into this thread? argh... even the forum warps now  

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2000, 03:23:00 PM »
Go Al!!!  

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