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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2002, 10:03:00 PM »
"And what do you dooo with witches?"

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"Burrrrrnnnn!!!!!!  BURN THEM!!! Ni!"
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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2002, 10:17:00 PM »
funkedup, your handle describes you perfectly.


 

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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2002, 11:17:00 PM »
Q:  How is Toilet Paper and the Starship Enterprise similar?

A:  They both travel where no man has gone before and fight cling-ons.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2002, 04:05:00 AM »
Children are usually much more capable and sensible than adults give then credit for.
Children should not be feared.

A good majority of classic and Newbury Award children's stories feature children achieving feats that adults cannot.  Even the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew solved cases that adult detectives could not.  It's nothing to fear, virtually all kids fantasize about being able to do things better than their parents and teachers.  It's all part of growing-up and learning who they are and learning to accept what they can and cannot do.
Take a good look at popular children's books and movies, they almost always feature children doing amazing things.  The Wizard of Oz, Huck Finn and Star Wars wouldn't have been the same if Dorothy, Huck or Luke were 35.
As a teacher, I know that there is know greater way to boost a child's self esteem than to point out something that a student can do that I cannot.  I.E.
"Class, did you know that Jose can speak two languages!  I can only speak one."

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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2002, 11:29:00 AM »
Around elementary school/middle school time I read "The Hobbit" and tried to get into the "Lord of the Rings."  Got into dark ages stuff like armor, swords, etc.  I even played Dungeons and Dragons a little bit (gasp!).  Knew I couldn't own swords, or befriend dragons and things so I just drew pictures and made xerox copies of pictures.  
Saw old war movies on TV and played around on the schoolgrounds making machine gun noises, sometimes with arms stretched out like wings.  
Into high school..joined the rifle team and stayed for all four years.  Shot rimfire .22 rifles at army three-position targets for 50ft. range.  
Despite reading stuff that is viewed as "satanic" by these ppl nowadays, and playing in a way that makes these same ppl squeamish, I do not worship satan as an adult, and I will not hurt people unless I'm defending myself or my loved ones from an attack.  I grew up fine, and I'm sure others who played even rougher as kids grew up fine also.  
Burning books.. sounds like when the communists burned and destroyed things in the "Cultural Revolution" in China.  And made everyone revere Mao.  

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PS.  I want to <S> the teachers out there, eskimo, mathman, and anyone else who is a teacher.  You folks should be paid more since you help to bring up our children (entertainers otoh, get paid too much), and are of more value to society.  Teachers don't get paid much in Hawaii because the emphasis is less on education and more on attracting tourists   :rolleyes:

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2002, 12:42:00 PM »
I havn't read the books, but Eskimo's words do have the ring of truth. I would have been all over those books at age 10. Any kid who can't discern the difference between reality and this type of fiction already has emotional problems.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2002, 01:06:00 PM »
"Is is just me or is there something eerily wrong with "children outwitting adults" being a number one requirement for a successful childrens tale?"

Umm..it's you, Swampy.

Kids outwitting adults is, as Eskimo says, an essential ingredient for kids books, and always has been, from Dickens "May I have more, please Sir?", to Kipling (read Stalky & Co) right up to the present day.

Think of your own favourite kid's books. What were they? Who was the "hero"?

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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2002, 02:02:00 PM »
Christian nutbasket types will no doubt go into fits of hysteria over Robert Ludlums 'The Road To Gandalfo'.. it's an un-typical Ludlum thriller, in that it is hugely funny. I never laffed so hard.. a sleeper; which has gone for the most part unnoticed.

And as for movies... has the church gotten over 'Dogma' yet??  "oh, thats the Cardinal.. the rosary beads are a give-away"

Hehehhe... funny as hell that was... oops.. punned, didn't I?
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2002, 02:11:00 PM »
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
Is is just me or is there something eerily wrong with "children outwitting adults" being a number one requirement for a successful childrens tale?

 Wow, that is a great point, Rat. Not that you can make this kind of crap stop, but at least parents should be ready to handle this kind of threat towards respect and authority.
 Back in Soviet Union, we were raised on stories in which children armed with Lenin's teachings could do no wrong. The favorite and most popular is the one where a child rats on his father to the authorities...


 So long as there are those around to point out "It's a STORY, ie MAKE-BELIEVE" everything is ok...  Wrong, I had to counsel a girl in the USAF who ... and was letting some of her Klingon freekin customs get in the way of her DUTY....
 Nothing we can or should do about that. There are some people who are much less based in reality then the majority of us. It is an inborn trait of personality which may actually be a personality disorder.
 Accomodating those people (against their wishes) by outlawing fantasy in literature is like making us all live in sterile plastic bubbles because some are born with deficient immune system.

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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2002, 02:14:00 PM »
As long as those christians burn the books they bought themselves, we should not call their action "Crystal Night". That is both invalid and diminishes the significance of the real Cryistal Night.

 The real one was not a closed harmless ritual for willing participants but a massive act of overt violence towards innocent and defenceless people.

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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2002, 03:09:00 PM »
Good point Miko.

There really isn't a true comparison between the two, other that they both involve folks who want to limit how others think.  But I don't think that anyone is afraid that the nuts in New Mexico are going to go so far as those other nuts went so long ago.

The fact that a comparison is being made at least shows that we have not forgotten what can happen, and how such things begin.

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