Author Topic: do people really become belligerent (Read 963 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2006, 02:35:21 AM »

Why would people take offense to something meant to be offensive?

What I can't particularly figure out is why someone would have the darwin fish on their car for any reason other than mocking christianity.

Then again, I can't understand why it would be predominantly christian pubilications that are publishing the muslim cartoons.

I think alot of this is the equivelant to trolling on the internet. You try to illicit a reaction and then laugh at people for doing it. Unfortunately, in real life it can lead to a slap in the face, a broken window or even worse.

beet1e · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2006, 05:04:55 AM »

storch, you have to accept that different sets of people have different systems of values. You can't expect another set of people (eg. muslims) to respect your values, if you don't respect their values. So just because a T-shirt/darwin fish/whatever doesn't offend you does not mean it won't offend anyone else. To you, it might just be words on a piece of cloth. But plenty of Americans took offence in recent years at the burning of pieces of cloth which had red and white stripes and 50 stars. Plenty more Americans took offence at news footage showing people dancing in the streets in middle eastern countries... nothing wrong with that, except that it was on and immediately after Sept.11th,2001.

If you disrespect others according to their values, they won't respect you, and will probably hate you for it. And there is plenty of evidence of exactly that in the world of today.

How's Mrs. Storch's gas-guzzler going - running OK?

SOB - I'm sorry you were put to so much pain, and even sorrier that I wasn't there to kiss it better for you.

J_A_B · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2006, 05:18:04 AM »

"If you disrespect others according to their values, they won't respect you, and will probably hate you for it. And there is plenty of evidence of exactly that in the world of today."

Some value systems aren't worth respecting. Aztec human sacrifices, anyone? How about Pol Pot's value system; was the Khmer Rouge deserving of respect?

You are correct in that such people will indeed hate those who oppose them. That doesn't mean such opposition is unjust or unwarranted.

J_A_B

beet1e · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2006, 05:42:52 AM »

J_A_B - true, but I was responding to what Storch said. The examples you gave fall well outside of the scope of storch's original post.

J_A_B · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:08:37 AM »

What I found interesting about Storch's initial post is how he seems to have his head stuck in the sand. How many times have we had riots and massive social unrest over things like trial outcomes (remember Rodney King/LA?) and sporting events? How many times on the evening news do we hear about a couple people killing each other over something trivial? Not only does that sort of thing happen here, it's so commonplace we barely even notice it anymore.

However, it's worth nothing that such behavior is socially unacceptable here, while in some parts of the world murder and "martyrdom" is apparently celebrated and even encouraged.

J_A_B

storch · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:11:36 AM »

yup chairboy have seen those and have heard people comment on the stupidity of having one. again I find it funny. the even funnier one is the one the jews have that is the elliptical fish and inside it says gefelte. that one is a hoot and i'm chuckling now thinking about it. but I have never (until now) heard of anyone's property being damaged because of it.

beet1e, again the images of a burning american flag don't cause me to go out and unravel a shik's turban. there is a mosque right up the road from where I live and many of my neighbors are moslems. just because a bunch of backwards idiots were dancing for joy at the reported deaths of 3000 people due a the senseless act perpetrated by a bunch of low self esteem chimps for stupid reasons would not cause me and apparently anyone else here to injure or harrass those that live here. I like some of the moslems that live here and share a beer and burger with them during community events. what I did hear recently is that neighborhood kids painted a huge stick man and labeled it "muhammad" in the mosque parking lot. the members were pissed because mohammad was mis-spelled and they (members of the congregation) had to paint over it and the whole parking at the urging and insistance of their imam. sounds like what our pastor would do under similar circumstances. I have often stated that the moslems I know or know of here are moslem the same way I'm christian. they are secular and are quite content to live in a secular society.

the monster now has 10,000 miles on it I enjoy it so much I use it more than she does. it is costing me about $75.00 in fuel and estimated maintenance per day to operate. I will buy an F350 4x2 diesel crew cab short bed in the next week or so. I'm waiting for the salesman to call me when the next shipment of new trucks has arrived.

storch · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:23:58 AM »

J_A_B the rodney king riots weren't about caricatures. they were about the beating of man by people in authority in country that condemns that type of action. while those riots were senseless it's not even remotely on the same scale as what the moslems are doing over some silly cartoons. I'm fairly sure I could have an openly racist bumper sticker on my truck here and no one would attack me or my truck. there could be consequences that the attacker is very well aware of. for further clarification I'm asking the question from my perspective as a southern floridian, a place that is far from being homogenous, in fact I believe we are as multicultural as new york, if on a smaller scale. recently a haitian woman was arrested at ftl for attempting to smuggle a human head, the complete head with skin, eyes and hair through customs. she is a grand poohbah of the voodoo religion and the head is important in their rituals and sacraments. yup we're multicultural here.

beet1e · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:38:51 AM »

Storch - fair comment. I don't really have anything to add, except to this:

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Originally posted by storch
the monster now has 10,000 miles on it I enjoy it so much I use it more than she does. it is costing me about $75.00 in fuel and estimated maintenance per day to operate.

:eek:

storch · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:55:51 AM »

yup I currently drive upwards of 200 miles per day, sometimes 300. I could do the same in the toyota and did for many years for about 1/2 that amount but the comfort of that SUV is unparalleled in my workaday experience and it seems a price worth paying to me. I am looking forward to the diesel though. I made that decision partly on what you posted about your diesel. this thing will be another richly appointed 3 ton monster too though. 6L V-8 diesel automatic transmission I suspect my fuel consumption to drop dramatically as most of my mileage is highway miles.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2006, 07:57:57 AM »

When I was younger (ahem..) I had a 1976 Int'l Scout with a 4" lift and oversized tires. I had bumper sticker in the rear window on the inside (so it would not get damaged) that said

We don't give a DAMN
how they do it in California![/i]

I used to get flipped off alot on the freeway in the mid-80's when we had a huge upsurge of Cali insurgency.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2006, 08:22:36 AM »

Scout II by chance?

Karaya

Ripsnort · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2006, 08:36:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Scout II by chance?

Karaya

Yep.

Automatic.

storch · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2006, 09:04:04 AM »

are you sure you weren't getting flipped off for driving that hideously designed and possibly built for gay people vehicle?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #28 on:** February 12, 2006, 09:10:58 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
are you sure you weren't getting flipped off for driving that hideously designed and possibly built for gay people vehicle?

Could have been the primitive forms of early SUV haters!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2006, 09:12:03 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
are you sure you weren't getting flipped off for driving that hideously designed and possibly built for gay people vehicle?

Actually the Scout II is up there with the Early Bronco as one of the best "all-around" 4x4's of all time. If he still had it, I'd buy it and throw a Fiberglas Kentrol tub on it. Like the EB it had a good wheelbase, but also had Front and rear Dana 44's.

Masher