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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2006, 12:13:29 PM »
Hi Fencer, my post was not intended to criticize your mission, and I apologize if thats the way it sounded. In retrospect, after reading through all the replies to this post, I withdraw my criticism of the events that night.

I think the idea of running missions on this scale is actually a benefit to the AvA. It's too bad that we couldn't get more people involved on the LW side, however it was fairly accurate historically as is.

sir, and I hope we see more of you and your squadron in the AvA.

Filth, to get rid of the POP UP when someone is wanting to join you:

Type in the radio buffer    .showjoin 0  when you log into the arena. This will cause the request to show in the text buffer instead of a pop-up. To accept, type in   .accept XXX  (X being the persons handle).

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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2006, 01:27:51 PM »
Well, I myself liked it and want to see more of it.....this has been the best six weeks of the past two years for me being involved in Aces High...Props to all that took the time an effort to make it that way..:aok

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2006, 03:23:16 PM »
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Well, I myself liked it and want to see more of it.....this has been the best six weeks of the past two years for me being involved in Aces High...Props to all that took the time an effort to make it that way..:aok
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2006, 04:03:05 PM »
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Originally posted by RTR
Hi Fencer, my post was not intended to criticize your mission, and I apologize if thats the way it sounded. In retrospect, after reading through all the replies to this post, I withdraw my criticism of the events that night.

I think the idea of running missions on this scale is actually a benefit to the AvA. It's too bad that we couldn't get more people involved on the LW side, however it was fairly accurate historically as is.

sir, and I hope we see more of you and your squadron in the AvA.

Filth, to get rid of the POP UP when someone is wanting to join you:

Type in the radio buffer    .showjoin 0  when you log into the arena. This will cause the request to show in the text buffer instead of a pop-up. To accept, type in   .accept XXX  (X being the persons handle).

Cheers all

RTR


The LW put up some decent JU88 missions early in the setup. That was a big step in making the arena better in my book. The Allies putting up the big buff raid was meant in the same spirit.  Regardless of the numbers the LW guys did very well. The Allies were stuck to a missions scenario , so hoarding and clobbering a LW flight with 72 aircraft wasn't going to happen.

Theres always going to be people who will jump to the side that seems to have the best aircraft. There are those who stay on a side no matter what. Then there are those like the Gunfighters who will come in and do their best to ballance the arena. As this setup progressed you could see the Allies starting to gain numbers once the aircraft rotation started.  Honestly we do need more LW units in the CT. The guys that just cross over when the prime aircraft are in play will never bring the skill level of JG54, the Finns, or any of you other guys that always fly LW. Because you guys stay proficient in the 109s, and 190s.
Hopefully all this activity will start attracting more LW types over from the MA.
Hang in there RTR.:aok

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2006, 04:08:55 PM »
Oh, Fencer, my comment wasn't about you! It's about normal AvA operations, not mission days and such. I've been off of AH for over a week it seems. Got in some time last night, but only in the MA. Sorry I missed it, though, because I saw your posts about setting it up before.

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« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2006, 04:20:16 PM »
This squad is trying..were brand new to the AvA...any people interested in flying a Romanian LW Squad are welcomed to contact our.. CO.. White13.. or any of the squad members at any time...

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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2006, 05:50:59 PM »
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Oh, Fencer, my comment wasn't about you! It's about normal AvA operations, not mission days and such. I've been off of AH for over a week it seems. Got in some time last night, but only in the MA. Sorry I missed it, though, because I saw your posts about setting it up before.


Oh I know Krusty! I just didnt see you up that evening so I was joking that you were huddled in an air raid shuttle.  :)

I figured you would have enjoyed it.

And RTR no worries, I was just answering questions that came up.

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« Last Edit: February 14, 2006, 05:55:20 PM by Fencer51 »
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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2006, 12:20:50 PM »
Thing is guys whenever the "Allies" have  that many pilots, well that's how the real allies flew. They gave the Lw overwhleming odds to contend with and bled them dry.

Just got done reading the Heinz Knoke book, where the guy was wounded 6 times and norrowly escaped several times being killed by Allied fighters.
Most of his wingmen died, he was burnt shot at his chute  dislocated shoulders shattered pelvis,etc. Just because not only was a thunderbolt on his  crate but lightnings and Mustangs . Contrair to what some have said that even when the LW had even odds they lost.  Cus most of the times they were just overwhelmed

Another thing the LW had many Zerstoerers going around to  destroy the bombers while lighter and better performing 109s  engaged and distracted the fighters while the Fws ,110s and 210s did their work.

IHMO 74 to 22 gives realistic odds as to what the LW was facing. Whenever the Allied side masses a big formation of fighters and bombers . I always climb above the formation at least 5k and at least being co alt with the escort fighters, so by the time  they're over  France I have enough altitude and time to set up a Head on pass screaming in a 500mph.  As soon as I am in I aim directly for the cockpit as if the pilot is hit with 4 20s or 2 30s in its  soft nose it will mean probably that you will kill the lead buff in that formation and probably the AI buff next to that one. You may not get the kill in the short time, but you put another buff out of action.

Another thing if you guys go in one by one you'll get picked off by the escorts easily,that's a  fact, however if you come in as a group of Fw190s and 109s you may have a much, much better chance of surviving, even shooting down several allied escorts. As in the real war the LW  couldn't hope to shoot down every single bomber they saw but they hoped to cause enough casualties so that the bomber offensive would stop.  It happened for a couple of weeks at the end of 43 when the Bombers were being sent without long range escort.

It's the same as always  yesterday I was in and the  Allies came in singles or pairs even though they had an inmense numerical superiority over the LW and they died ending up many times ganged and brought to the deck where even more LW fighters pounced.  

It wasn't until later on where they amassed their whole fighters into one formation that  they could take control. I had to climb to 30k and even then I saw a couple higher. I just did one pass and went home and landed, cus I'm not going to give  someone a kill while being ganged :D

Think I landed 3 kills that sortie, it was sad to see that our guys just kept upping from front line fields instead of taking off  a bit on the rear and get enough altitude to at least give them a fighting chance.

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2006, 01:35:52 PM »
Holy crap.  Glasses makes a post.  Are you back Glasses? Glad to see you're on zee luftwaffe side.

Yes, historically 75v25 are realistic odds at that time.  It'll get worse as time moves forward too unfortunately.

Either way, Glasses is correct - you just have to deal with uneven battles. No fight in the air was always even numbered.

And Glasses, did we say 'welcome back!' ? ;)
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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2006, 08:29:12 PM »
Well it's a belated welcome back Mistah fork cus  I've been here a coupleof months now :D  . Just got tired of the MA and more often I venture into the AvA cus MA La7 spit16 P-51D rocketstang gets tiresome.

So for the time being I"m back like a bad case of genital warts :D