Author Topic: Aussie tv broadcasts new Abu Ghraib photos/video (Read 2181 times)

xrtoronto · « **Reply #45 on:** February 16, 2006, 10:59:12 AM »

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Originally posted by texace
What if you just don't care?

that's exactly how I feel...I looked up the meaning of 'condone' and indeed by definition I do condone it.

Etymology: Latin condonare to absolve, from com- + donare to give -- more at DONATION
: to pardon or overlook voluntarily; especially : to treat as if trivial, harmless, or of no importance

There it is. (still feels like: I just don't care)
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Hypocrite:Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

Changing ones point of view over a long period of time (a couple years) doesn't make them a hypocrite

Harry · « **Reply #46 on:** February 16, 2006, 12:23:14 PM »

So, what made you turn? Did their savageness rub off on you?

Seagoon · « **Reply #47 on:** February 16, 2006, 02:11:32 PM »

Harry,

Just out of curiousity, what do you regard as "savage?"

Were the allies "savage" in their prosecution of the war against the Axis? Was this "savagery" unethical and morally evil?

To put it in real world terms, would you concur that because an officer in the 101st Airborne almost certainly shot unarmed German prisoners on D-Day, that the allies should have internationally published pictures of the murdered Germans, started congressional investigations, withdrawn their forces from Normandy, forced the Secretary of War to resign, and brought down the FDR administration?

If not, why not? Isn't that "condoning savagery?"

- SEAGOON

-tronski- · « **Reply #48 on:** February 16, 2006, 02:26:17 PM »

What if that officer shot unarmed prisoners after May 1945...or that officer shot suspected de-mobbed SS men being held until the allies could investigate their previous activites, shot common german criminals, got his jollies kicking around POWS - possibly beating them to death and or making them believe what is going to happen to them would be a similar situation if the gestapo grabbed them before the war ended?

....all after the war had ended and they were all "safe" in custody...would that constitute a crime...would that be considered savage?

Tronsky

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #49 on:** February 16, 2006, 02:35:23 PM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
What if that officer shot unarmed prisoners after May 1945...or that officer shot suspected de-mobbed SS men being held until the allies could investigate their previous activites, shot common german criminals, got his jollies kicking around POWS - possibly beating them to death and or making them believe what is going to happen to them would be a similar situation if the gestapo grabbed them before the war ended?

....all after the war had ended and they were all "safe" in custody...would that constitute a crime...would that be considered savage?

Tronsky

The war hasnt ended

Suave · « **Reply #50 on:** February 16, 2006, 03:45:09 PM »

If you can rationalize beating subdued prisoners, you might be a boroda. In other words, incapable of negotiating thought obstacles independantly.

A complete laps of military bearing and self discipline, certainly unbecoming of a professional soldier. There's NO excuse for it. But it won't stop untill some field grade officers get canned. Busting a couple of sgt's or spc4's is an insulting farce. Anybody who says beating a prisoner is an effective way of debriefing him doesn't know what they're talking about. Infact it's quite counterproductive. So don't bother bringing that up.

Violence borne of anger, particularly frustrated brutality against the defensless, is a trait of a weak temper.

McCain was a pow who suffered physical abuse, I bet he and his comrades have some insightful things to say about this.

BTW, if you can't tell, I'm not being sarcastic now.

Harry · « **Reply #51 on:** February 16, 2006, 08:20:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Seagoon
Harry,

Just out of curiousity, what do you regard as "savage?"

Anyone who is less than civilized.

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Originally posted by Seagoon
Were the allies "savage" in their prosecution of the war against the Axis? Was this "savagery" unethical and morally evil?

Yes they most certainly were. Atrocities like Dresden and Hiroshima were only overshadowed by the Holocaust itself.

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Originally posted by Seagoon
To put it in real world terms, would you concur that because an officer in the 101st Airborne almost certainly shot unarmed German prisoners on D-Day, that the allies should have internationally published pictures of the murdered Germans, started congressional investigations, withdrawn their forces from Normandy, forced the Secretary of War to resign, and brought down the FDR administration?

As far as I know your government hasn’t published anything, they have just released the pictures. Nor have they withdrawn their forces from Iraq, forced the Secretary of War to resign or brought down the Bush administration. Why should any of these events take place? All that is required is that you punish the guilty, and do not condone the act like so many here do.

Turning a blind eye to the POW murders would indeed be condoning them. Lt. Spear should have been executed for his crimes.

Harry · « **Reply #52 on:** February 16, 2006, 08:22:53 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The war hasnt ended

Iraq surrendered in 2003.

Harry · « **Reply #53 on:** February 16, 2006, 08:41:26 PM »

Didn’t think I’d get the opportunity to use this golden oldie again:

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #54 on:** February 16, 2006, 09:51:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Harry
Iraq surrendered in 2003.

When did Zarqawi surrender?

Yeager · « **Reply #55 on:** February 16, 2006, 10:04:46 PM »

any guesses as to what harrys primary bsb account name is?

SOB · « **Reply #56 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:20:00 AM »

"bsb"?

Pooh21 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:51:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
any guesses as to what harrys primary bsb account name is?

well in a different thread he claims he is from Norway, which means he is who i think he is

yet, he must be on new meds, no ranting and raving yet, and he is occasionally coherant

Harry · « **Reply #58 on:** February 17, 2006, 01:18:39 AM »

xrtoronto · « **Reply #59 on:** February 17, 2006, 10:23:20 AM »

I *think* Harry's old handle used to be 'sholz'