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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2001, 09:42:00 PM »
 
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Blur,

What, other than your over inflated opinion, is your basis in fact for alleging that Colin Powell is a traitor???

This seems like another "cheap shot" that you deride others in this bbs for using. I guess it's ok for you to do it though.

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Mav, I thought you'd never ask.   http://www.consortiumnews.com/121700a.html

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2001, 09:58:00 PM »
Blur,

Read the first 3 pages without seeing any incriminating evidence.

Cut to the chase, please. What in that batch backs up your statement?
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2001, 10:32:00 PM »
I went through the Viet Nam portion of the "article" you used as a reference. When read critacally it showed that Powell was not involved in the My Lai incident, was not present or involved in the alledged killing of civilians but was wounded on a patrol early in the war.

The article seems to have been written with the intent to smear Powell with both the My Lai incident and the other helicopter strafing incident when he wasn't there. It is pretty typical character assasination.

The opening about Kovak (sp?) and Powell at the book signing is not germain to any allegation of treason. All it said was a wounded infantryman had a disagreement about how war should be waged. The thought that war should be anything nice is pure drivel. Kovaks implication that "too much force" was used in the Gulf War is pure speculation and on the face of it rediculous.

I repeat Blur, where is your proof that Colin Powel is a traitor.

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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2001, 10:49:00 PM »
     
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Originally posted by Maverick:

Jihad,

When was this discovered? That is critical to your implication that a Republican Executive had anything to do with propogating it.

A second question is why did clinton feel the need to actually pardon them??? Oh yeah, hillary is a senator for NY now.... I can see why he would suck up to them.

I can understand why one felon would want to get other felons off the hook from prosecution or sentencing, even if it was 140 of them. I don't have to like it and it certainly didn't influence me to have any respect for the felon who occupied the Oval Office the last 8 years.

Mav

 Its referring to ripsnorts post:

Evidently, Mr.Clinton had some favors to pay off, man, this next year is going to show the true legacy of this criminal you Dems voted for! LOL!
 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/012501/clinton_pardons.sml

 Clinton pardoned several people he shouldn't have.

 I'm just getting sick of the people who parrot the festering pus bag Rush Limbaugh <a known liar> and lay the blame for everything on the democratic party.

       
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 There are many good people who are democratic affiliated - just as there are republicans worthy of praise, my point is the crimes he pardoned this man for occurred mainly during periods of republican control of the White House.

 I don't have to like it and it certainly didn't influence me to have any respect for the felon who occupied the Oval Office the last 8 years.

 Do you respect the felons who preceded him? I dont, IMO theres no difference between the republican and democratic party, they both have their quota of lying scum.

 The latest occupant is of the same caliber as Clinton,Bush,and Reagan - Hail to the Thief!


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 I apologize in advance for the swastika in the "Adolph Limbaugh" picture - but given this slimebags political views its appropriate.


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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2001, 07:34:00 AM »
 
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I repeat Blur, where is your proof that Colin Powel is a traitor.
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This link should move you up to the eighties in the Powell story.
 http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html

During the Gulf War the fact that we were putting our troops in harms way, killing Iraqis and doing it all in the name of oil was bad enough.
 
But by far the scariest thing to me was Powell's complete control of the media. Now that's frick'n terrifying!

This was posted at the end of an article concerning a recent State Department speech.

"There was also one more sign of the old military man in Powell. During the Gulf War, media coverage was carefully controlled. The same was done today. The retired general did not allow the media to record his speech, only to watch it on the in-house channel in the State Department."

     -abcnews.com

Yes indeed, the old puppet master and consummate media spinner is back in town.

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2001, 07:52:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by blur:
This link should move you up to the eighties in the Powell story.
 http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html

During the Gulf War the fact that we were putting our troops in harms way, killing Iraqis and doing it all in the name of oil was bad enough.
 
But by far the scariest thing to me was Powell's complete control of the media. Now that's frick'n terrifying!

This was posted at the end of an article concerning a recent State Department speech.

"There was also one more sign of the old military man in Powell. During the Gulf War, media coverage was carefully controlled. The same was done today. The retired general did not allow the media to record his speech, only to watch it on the in-house channel in the State Department."

     -abcnews.com

Yes indeed, the old puppet master and consummate media spinner is back in town.

blah, blah, blah,.............

Now we have people complaining about Powell. Maybe Bush should have chose jesse the baby maker jackson for his cabinet... Or national security be dam, let's have CNN in the Pentagon, maybe they could "guide" the country properly.

This thread is about slick willie paying back his minions with less than 24 hrs left in his term. Don't know why we expected anything less...

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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2001, 08:24:00 AM »
 
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This thread is about slick willie paying back his minions with less than 24 hrs left in his term. Don't know why we expected anything less...
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I apologize Eagler. I thought that this thread was entitled "Presidential Pardons?"  

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2001, 08:57:00 AM »
It is blur, tell me when Powell has been pardoned for anything? You state his supervisor received one not him. If we took it to that level with clinton we'd be taking about  a lot more than 140.

On that note, anyone know the highest number of pardons given by a president at one time, in one year? Just curious..

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2001, 05:41:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by blur:
This link should move you up to the eighties in the Powell story.
 http://www.consortiumnews.com/121900b.html

During the Gulf War the fact that we were putting our troops in harms way, killing Iraqis and doing it all in the name of oil was bad enough.
 
But by far the scariest thing to me was Powell's complete control of the media. Now that's frick'n terrifying!

This was posted at the end of an article concerning a recent State Department speech.

"There was also one more sign of the old military man in Powell. During the Gulf War, media coverage was carefully controlled. The same was done today. The retired general did not allow the media to record his speech, only to watch it on the in-house channel in the State Department."

     -abcnews.com

Yes indeed, the old puppet master and consummate media spinner is back in town.


Blur,

Stay with me on this one ok.

1. We were at war with Iraq.

2. The media reported on events leading up and during the war. Not to mention afterwards.

3. Iraq also received the same news broadcasts as did all the rest of the world. Think of the broadcasts as intelligence gathering means.

4.It is bad form for your war plans to be broadcast to the enemy. It leads to excessive casualties on your side. If you need a historical perspective read up on the cracking of the Germans and Japanese codes during WW2.

Most of us were concerned that the hostilities, initiated by Iraq, be brought to a successful conclusion with as few casualties to our side as possible. That was achieved.  

The fact that the media was not allowed to broadcast combat ops and plans is a fairly simple concept for me to grasp. I fail to understand why you think that is so strange given the speed and global capabilities of the media. Perhaps your military training was insufficient to allow you to understand that keeping the enemy in the dark about just what you intend to do to him is important.

A side note here. Powell wasn't the tactical or strategic commander. Schwartzkopf (sp) was the man on the ground with that control. Neither of them got to make the final decisions as to whether hostilities would occur. That was the domain of the world leaders who put the coalition together and, of course, hussein.

In this country the military does not decide world policy, deployments or if there will be hostilities. The military follows the direction of a civilian political office holder and government. The military is an extension of political power wielded by the governing body and nation they serve.

I still do not understand where you think Powell is a traitor. The work of innuendo and speculation you linked is certainly devoid of any support of treasonous activity on Powells part.

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