A monument for ........ deserters?

[lasersailor184]

Oh... and draft evasion and desertion aren't the same thing

I disagree.  If your country needs you, it's the same whether you are told to be in, or are already in.


Getting drafted is still a very honorable thing because you still choose whether or not to serve.  And you still choose how to act when you are in the army.

[Thrawn]

I'm surprised that people care what a bunch of retarded hippies in ****burg BC do.

[Heater]

Let em do it.......
Then round em all up and shoot em!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I disagree.  If your country needs you, it's the same whether you are told to be in, or are already in.

Disagree all you want, but if you're already in, you've sworn this oath:

I, _____________________________ ______, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


This makes all the difference in the world to me.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Stringer
I'm sorry Rip, could you remind us of your service time again?  

Normally I wouldn't ask, since I didn't volunteer to serve either, but then again, I'm not casting aspersions on folks who haven't served OR on folks who have but don't have the same political lemming....errr leaning as I might have.

I know you're a knight on a white horse coming again to your buddies defense, but you missed a sarcastic tone in my post that was related to another. So next time before you jump in with both feet in your mouth you should probably do alittle research next time. Thanks for playing!

[rpm]

First, this is olden. The monument story was out last summer.

Second, since some of you "gung ho" types who were brought up "right" think evasion and desertion are one in the same, is getting multiple deferments the same as evasion? Think carefully before you answer.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Sandman
Rather than blame the government for wasting 58,000 american lives in the wrong war at the wrong place, let's blame the people who chose to avoid it.

I don't think so.

Here's what I think. The people that chose to answer the call from their government did an honorable thing. They demonstrated trust in their government and a willingness to sacrifice their lives for the good of the nation. The people that chose not to, brought no honor upon themselves, but they also brought no dishonor either. The government acted in bad faith.

Do I think they deserve a monument in Canada? Not particularly. Do I think a monument in Canada would be disrepectful of veterans? Not particularly.

Oh... and draft evasion and desertion aren't the same thing.

Respectfully disagree, Sandy. Not to put too fine a point on it, the draft was law. Those that dodged, those that aided and abetted the communist efforts, those that wilfully or unwittingly supported the NVA propaganda machine or abandoned their place in the ranks have by their actions defecated upon those that did their duty. Over 5 million Americans served in the Vietnam Era.. the 125,000 who deserted or dodged made their choice. They deserve no honor, no 'memorial' and certainly no respect whatsover.

[Stringer]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I know you're a knight on a white horse coming again to your buddies defense, but you missed a sarcastic tone in my post that was related to another. So next time before you jump in with both feet in your mouth you should probably do alittle research next time. Thanks for playing!

LOL, I know it's not the first time you've said it.  And as usual you missed that the question is the point itself.

Believe me, nobody needs help in a mental duel with you

However, as usual, you have avoided answering a direct question with a direct answer.

So, what was your service time again?  Do try to answer the question this time.  

Thanks for playing!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Respectfully disagree, Sandy. Not to put too fine a point on it, the draft was law. Those that dodged, those that aided and abetted the communist efforts, those that wilfully or unwittingly supported the NVA propaganda machine or abandoned their place in the ranks have by their actions defecated upon those that did their duty. Over 5 million Americans served in the Vietnam Era.. the 125,000 who deserted or dodged made their choice. They deserve no honor, no 'memorial' and certainly no respect whatsover.

Well... if it's a duty thing, than the law shouldn't make much difference one way or the other.

Imagine if there were a draft today. I suspect that the reaction would be as bad if not worse than it was during Vietnam.

Our government tells us that we are at war. The same "duty" that existed during Vietnam exists today and yet the Army can't make their enlistment quotas.

[Hangtime]

...and that goes to a whole different subject; one I'd hugely enjoy discussing under another thread title than this one.

[Sandman]

If you are between the ages of 18 and 34(?) and you have not joined the Army, you are aiding and abetting the insurgency in Iraq.

Duty calls.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Sandman
Not really... if you are between the ages of 18 and 30 and you have not joined the Army, you are aiding and abetting the insurgency in Iraq.

LOL... maybe you need a bigger paddle on that ****-stirrer yer waving about...

[john9001]

there were draft riots in NYC during the civil war, every generation has it's cowards. good thing their numbers are small.

USMC vet

[Sandman]

Duty calls!


<--- USN Vet

[Seraphim]

Originally posted by Chairboy
They're trying to figure out where best to put it.  Some ideas:

*At about 150 feet down somewhere in a convenient ocean.
*Next to the statue commemorating the brave battle of that woman who sued McDonalds after she spilled coffee on herself.
*In Red Square, Moscow.

Send it to France!