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« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2006, 09:40:02 PM »
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If only... what?  We wouldn't have a strategic position in a Middle Eastern country with a friendly government?


Right up until that good ol' democracy kicks in. Shi'ites don't like us too much.

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« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2006, 10:01:23 PM »
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Last I heard the "perpetrators that " that took over the planes and crashed them went down with the plane. I am still waiting to hear what the wonderful "blue" plan would be.

If, for the sake of arguement, you are going to "go after the perpetrators" exactly how would that be done? Where would you go? What constitutes "getting them"? Just how far are you going to go to "get them"? What are you going to do if they don't want you to "get them" or the country they are in doesn't want you to "get them"?

From what I saw you didn't specify a "plan" any more than kerry did when he said he had a "plan" and would "do it better".


Oh come on. I made it very plain.

I would have put the same effort that Bush squandered on Iraq and spent it in Afghanistan. I would have paid much more attention to the threat of Al Quaida and to getting Bin Laden. Clear enough?

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« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2006, 10:05:45 PM »
What? You'd have invaded Pakistan to get OBL?

That'd open a can of madrasas fer shure.
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« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2006, 10:28:55 PM »
Sure Toad, Bush was just acting out of ... hmmmm


self restraint... yeah, thats the ticket.


That's why he invaded Iraq.... so we wouldn't piss off Pakistan.

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« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2006, 11:15:24 PM »
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Oh come on. I made it very plain.

I would have put the same effort that Bush squandered on Iraq and spent it in Afghanistan. I would have paid much more attention to the threat of Al Quaida and to getting Bin Laden. Clear enough?


Actually no it is not clear. You have not defined what that "effort" would be. What is the goal of that "effort"? Explain what you mean by paying more attention to al queda? Does that mean you would enter a "meaningfull dialogue" with them, invite them to a midnight stroll on the beach with airhead?

What are you saying a "blue" country would do? All you have posted have been extremely vague statements. I want details or at least a concrete  statement of a course of action. I still do not see any plan in any of your posts.

Since Afghanistan seems to be far quieter than Iraq is (at least as far as media coverage is concerned) I fail to see what else a "blue" country would do there. Please let us know so we can see exactly what the action would be.

How would you be "getting Bin Laden"? I thought I gave enough information in the last post about what I was asking about. The same questions still stand. How will you accomplish this? What will you do if he does not want to go? Where will you go to find him and what are you going to do if the harboring country decides to not let you look there much less "get him"? Again, WTF is the "plan"
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« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2006, 11:24:12 PM »
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It'd be easier if none of that would've happened in the first place... whos moronic idea was it to torture the prisoners, let alone FILM IT?!
What happened to our moral high ground that we were supposedly defending from the terrorists?


Why not nut up and ask the British the same thing?  Funny how a "Commonwealth" finds the need to take the spotlight off of England, at a most curious time.

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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2006, 07:29:49 AM »
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How would you be "getting Bin Laden"? I thought I gave enough information in the last post about what I was asking about. The same questions still stand. How will you accomplish this? What will you do if he does not want to go? Where will you go to find him and what are you going to do if the harboring country decides to not let you look there much less "get him"? Again, WTF is the "plan" - Maverick


You gave more than enough information, Maverick.  But direct answers are just not MT's bag.  Get ready for a witty obfuscation...
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« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2006, 08:47:28 AM »
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You gave more than enough information, Maverick.  But direct answers are just not MT's bag.  Get ready for a witty obfuscation...


Oh please, What do you want, landing sites and troop strength dispositions? My "plan" is no more or less thought out than Bush's plan for ending the war in Iraq.

And saying Afghanistan is quiet while Iraq isn't is just funny. Iraq was quiet, until we invaded it...... to protect ourselves from WMD.

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« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2006, 10:31:10 AM »
Actually MT you have specified no plan or alternative option. All you have done is level ambiguous criticism of the bush admin. That in and of itself is one thing and certainly your right. I'm just calling you on your implication that a "blue country" would have an alternative (viable or not) or do anything different. So far you have said exactly zip, nada, zilch about what that "plan" would be to include military action or asking for those wonderfully effective un sanctions or resolutions. Since there seems to be no alternative action from a "blue country" I can only assume you would simply just hide your head in the sand and solve the problem by ignoring it. Yep that would really be an effective option alright.
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« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2006, 10:35:03 AM »
Wow... I've said numerous times what I would do, yet you keep saying I've said nothing. I'm getting that twilight zone music in my head again..

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« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2006, 11:37:47 AM »
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Oh please, What do you want, landing sites and troop strength dispositions? My "plan" is no more or less thought out than Bush's plan for ending the war in Iraq.

And saying Afghanistan is quiet while Iraq isn't is just funny. Iraq was quiet, until we invaded it...... to protect ourselves from WMD.


#1 You have no idea what Bush`s plan on ending the war in Iraq is. None of us do. I can tell you that it will not be "instantly" as some of you seem to be jumping up and down about. Maybe you would have preferred that he set up a press conference in the beginning and alid it out for everyone. It`s not just Iraq and Afghanistan involved in the whole picture. It`s far more wide reaching than that. I sort of expect that , by your statements, that if you noticed a rattlesnake in your yard that you would grab a garden hoe and promptly chop off it`s tail and think the threat was over.
The way things are being done and have been done are about as good as it gets IMO.  A full scale, full blown invasion into Afghanistan, such as was done in Iraq, would have been a major waste if you want to talk about waste. It would have been sort of like being all dressed up and nothing to do after we got there. They would have scattered like fleas. What is being done there is the only way to go. Slow and methodicaly is the only way it will work. It is only a starting place, such as Iraq. It reachs far further than that. They have had many years plotting , training and most importantly, building up a network of safe havens and financing from many different countries. Some of these have been very transparently claiming to be western allies. The gravy train for these people are having their free ride severed. Iraq is like a huge rat trap baited with prime cheese. The rats are flocking in by the numbers, but they are having to show their faces for the first time. We are methodicaly stomping their heads in the sand as they come in. It`s not instant. Neither was the planining and network setup for the terrorists.

#2 You say that Iraq was quiet until we invaded it. Yea, they were quietly slaughtering anyone who got in their way under the leadership of one of the world`s most notorious mass murders and tyrants the world has seen since Hitler. More importantly they were participating in the training facilities,  financial pipelining, safe havens for the network of terrorists. The end goal was to eliminate and destroy anything in their path and who disagreed with them and got in their way to destroy US, the western world. It didn`t start last year or the year before or the year before that and it won`t be set straight instantly. If we continued to set back and do nothing, as had been being done, the attack on the twin towers would have been a Sunday walk in the park. Giving your enemy an open door and the entire world to operate while you sit on your fat, pampered behinds and wait is not too stratgicaly sound. Seems the very ones who wished to ignore and not address an obvious and  growing problem over the last years are the very same group of folks who made the loudest whines after the twin towers attack wanting to know why it wasn`t avoided before it happened. They are also the ones who, now that action is being taken to protect our country from future attacks, that are screaming and whining about how things are being done and want instant gratification and go back to the "don`t rock my boat and everything is peachy" mode. They would also be the ones who would lament and gansh their teeth the loudest upon another attack. One that would have surely came and most certainly is possible to come as things are now. We are not insulated. We don`t have a force field around us.What we are doing is beginning to make an attempt to protect ourself from our enemy. Finaly.....and it`s just the beginning.
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« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2006, 04:28:54 PM »
What did I do? Seriously!

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« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2006, 10:37:07 AM »
Hey Jackal,

#1 - I don't know, you don't know, and there is evidence to suggest that Bush doesn't know either. But that's OK, cause Hillary will straighten it all out in 2008.

#2 - hehe that was funny, really classic fiction, you should put up walls of text more often.

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« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2006, 07:09:22 PM »
MT, I`m proud that you are the one who said you were hearin Twilight zone music in your head. It seems appropiate to your awareness and state of mind. :)

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But that's OK, cause Hillary will straighten it all out in 2008.


I didn`t know Hilary Duff was gonna run. It would be the only Hilary/Hillary I can think of who might have a shot. :)
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