Cameras in your house

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by NattyIced
Okay, so when it continues the sentence and ends with "even private homes" the implication is that the video surveillance equipment will be "in ... even private homes.

When you begin a sentence that refers to the placement of something, it applies to every location in the sentence.

Are you speaking of his direct quote, or the reporters sentence structure.

[NattyIced]

Sentence structure. Guns said IT did not refer to saying inside homes, when it did. He may have not.

[Shamus]

"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" Chief Harold Hurtt told reporters Wednesday at a regular briefing."

Any one who would say something like that would have no problems installing camera's inside private homes.

shamus

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by NattyIced
Sentence structure. Guns said IT did not refer to saying inside homes, when it did. He may have not.

Thus the "spin" comment.

Either way, its proven to work again and again and again. It's worked very well to clean up Tacoma's Hilltop area as I mentioned earlier in this thread.

[Chairboy]

I'll help you out, you still don't get it:
HOUSTON -- Houston's police chief on Wednesday proposed placing
surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers.

To argue that this "obviously" means parking lots is spin.  Additionally, your credibility takes a small hit when you follow that up with an  "Either way, its proven to work again and again and again. It's worked very well to clean up Tacoma's Hilltop area as I mentioned earlier in this thread" endorsement of surveillance.

Basically, it sounds like you're saying "they aren't doing it, but if they are, it's a good idea".  If that's incorrect, please let me know.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I'll help you out, you still don't get it:
HOUSTON -- Houston's police chief on Wednesday proposed placing
surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers.

To argue that this "obviously" means parking lots is spin.  Additionally, your credibility takes a small hit when you follow that up with an  "Either way, its proven to work again and again and again. It's worked very well to clean up Tacoma's Hilltop area as I mentioned earlier in this thread" endorsement of surveillance.

Basically, it sounds like you're saying "they aren't doing it, but if they are, it's a good idea".  If that's incorrect, please let me know.

Was this reading deficit due to nuture or nature?

Spin it any way you want, Chairboy.  The Police chief did not say that, and you cannot quote him because he was not quoted saying that.

[Gunslinger]

Then explain to me how you can put a camera IN a street?  What effectivness would it have if it was buried IN concrete?  

Then by chairboys standard the article must contrdict itself later on when it reffers to a DIRECT QUOTE that says "of the property"  NOT in the property.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Was this reading deficit due to nuture or nature?

Spin it any way you want, Chairboy.  The Police chief did not say that, and you cannot quote him because he was not quoted saying that.

Rip, I'm quoting the AP article.  If you think they got it wrong, lemme know.

[Ripsnort]

When you can't debate the point, argue semantics.

[NattyIced]

It says what it says. Most streets are asphault, not concrete. Some bus stop pads are concrete. They have buried cameras in the asphault to capture the licenses of people running red lights though.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Rip, I'm quoting the AP article.  If you think they got it wrong, lemme know.

So it's the associated press that is sudgesting it then?  again you are arguing an AP statement and we a direct quote.

[Chairboy]

From http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=3909198:

Chief Hurtt believes it would be cheaper to have the cameras than to hire enough police officers and have them at every street corner. He's even suggesting that those homeowners who have too many calls for service to their homes be forced to install the cameras as well.

It's not just AP.  Why are you spinning this?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Chairboy
From http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=3909198:It's not just AP.  Why are you spinning this?

again I don't see where it says cameras IN YOUR HOME.  and again i don't see it as a DIRECT QUOTE!


Plus your link is dead.  Most articles I have found written on this attibute this to the AP.  I am certainly not spinning this I a sceptical that somone could get away with forcing a citizen to install a camera IN there house.  I can understand monitoring somone's property if it's a high problem area (not saying I condone that either)  Needless to say I have yet to see ANYWHERE that this chief said cameras IN the home.  His quote says "of the property" where as the AP is saying "and even homes" after saying "in....streets"  To me it looks like spin and bad writing.

[Shamus]

Chris was immediately ordered to do AA five times per week, and to use no alcohol or any controlled substances. She was required to do regular urine screens and to be placed on a breathalyzer tether until sentencing. This is a rented machine that is placed upon the defendant’s home phone. It has a video camera built into it and a hose sticking out that is attached to a breathalyzer inside. The control center has the defendant’s work and treatment hours and will call two to three times per day, at all hours of the day and night. The defendant is required to place their face in front of the camera and then breathe into the hose. If the defendant tests alcohol-free, he/she can go about their business. If they have been drinking, the machine will pick it up and they are in violation of bond.


This was pasted from this page.

http://www.michbar.org/journal/article.cfm?articleID=532&volumeID=40

Cameras have been put into private homes.

A relative of mine had one of these, when the call came in if they heard voices in the background they would demand to know who else was in the house etc.

I know, I know, I am going to hear about how they are criminals and all and have no rights to privacy and such.



shamus

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Shamus
Chris was immediately ordered to do AA five times per week, and to use no alcohol or any controlled substances. She was required to do regular urine screens and to be placed on a breathalyzer tether until sentencing. This is a rented machine that is placed upon the defendant’s home phone. It has a video camera built into it and a hose sticking out that is attached to a breathalyzer inside. The control center has the defendant’s work and treatment hours and will call two to three times per day, at all hours of the day and night. The defendant is required to place their face in front of the camera and then breathe into the hose. If the defendant tests alcohol-free, he/she can go about their business. If they have been drinking, the machine will pick it up and they are in violation of bond.


This was pasted from this page.

http://www.michbar.org/journal/article.cfm?articleID=532&volumeID=40

Cameras have been put into private homes.

A relative of mine had one of these, when the call came in if they heard voices in the background they would demand to know who else was in the house etc.

I know, I know, I am going to hear about how they are criminals and all and have no rights to privacy and such.



shamus

So you are saying that a convicted criminal has the right not to carry out their court appointed sentence or are you just comparing apples to oranges for the fun of it?

Some convicted felons cannot buy fire arms

Some child molesters cannot work at schools or child day care

Some repeat DUI offenders cannot drive a car ever again

Criminals that go to jail lose almost ALL their freedoms so I fail to see how this is valid.