Roadwarriors

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Just in case you come across one that is actually into that sort of thing.
Its called a "Ballgag"

I know, I was trying to be funny.   Was I?

Karaya

[john9001]

for some people a bicycle is their only form of personal transportation.

[Ripsnort]

Prosecutor Says Collision That Killed Pedestrian Is Murder

Sort of on-topic, not a cyclist, but a pedestrian.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Then you are the exeption to the rule.
If all bicycle enthusiasts behaved the way you say you behave I would never have a problem with them.

Problem is. Around these parts 90% of the ones I see DO all the things you say you dont do.

I wouldnt even mind if they were on the country roads as I could easily see why they would want to be. For the same reasons I take the country roads whenever possible. If they would JUST learn to move to the right when cars and other vehicles come up behind them.

Like i said common sense is all it takes to not win the Darwin award.
On the other side of the coin I think we can all agree that some people drive there autos poorly.
Like speeding drunk driving not using a signal when lane changing and my all time favorite when almost at a stop light the dude next to you pulls in front of you because there was a car in front of him and he just had to be in front LOL
that is the most childish crap ive seen.


Now if there is a line of large trucks in front of you heck yea come on over as they will take all day getting up to speed.

We all make bone head moves from time to time but this mentality that the
roads only belong to those in cars is BS the LAW says differently and untill
it changes you have the responsability to watch out for everyone and thing on the road weather you like it or not.


And just FYI I get pissed off to when stuck behing a bunch of rude cyclist and have voiced my opinion many time to them example hey lady your bellybutton is wide but you dont really need the whole lane do you?

Or my favorite single file moron


It can be frustrating I agree the problem lies in the attitiuds of both the automobile drivers and the bicycle riders.
What the bike riders have to understand is that by being rude and or inconsiderate thay are only making more animosities between themselves and those in cars.

When im riding it just makes sense dont piss off the dude with the  four thousand pound car DUH!

Take up as little roadway as possible obey all traffic laws and guess what!  your chance of getting yer butt run over will lesson and in the process you will
be giving a better impression to the folks in there cars.

And last but not least you might think we look funny in bike shorts but I get to follow young ladies with very tight little hinnys in there bike shorts life is good:aok

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
After reading and responding to the I have evolved thread lets look at the issues in an adult manner.

Do bicyclist do rude and stupid things on the road? Yes they do and are subject to the same laws as those in cars.

Do people in cars do stupid things when they are behind a cyclist? yes they do.
But there actions can lead to a death so I see a difference.

Actually the cyclists actions can lead to a death as well, thats why motorists get their undies in a bunch. The most common thing I see here is cyclists sneaking through red lights, I've seen more than a few near missies when they thought 'its clear I'm fine" .... smack...

Most cyclists think they are a law unto themselves hopping between road-mode and I'm-a-pedestrian mode, often treating people on the footpath the same way they see motorists treating them.

I get no more frustrated with a cyclist slowed up traffic than I do with a car slowing up traffic, and I treat them the same.

BTW, I used to do a lot of riding, so I've seen both sides of the story, and I'd have to say more often than not its the cyclist in the wrong (sure I've dodged a few car doors, the odd old lady who didn't see me when she turned etc)

[J_A_B]

I'm disappointed.  I expected a thread about pickup trucks with spear-guns mounted in the back and strange cars built out of junk and perhaps the last of the V-8 Interceptors.  Well, at least we got some people running over cyclists and a mention of Death Race 2000.


J_A_B

[lasersailor184]

Rip.  I think that irresponsible driving that leads to the death of someone should be murder.  It's irresponsible of society to think otherwise.

Speeding, Drunk Driving, Fooling around...

Just imagine it was your son that was hit by a drunk driver.  Would the driver be guilty of murder?

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Rip.  I think that irresponsible driving that leads to the death of someone should be murder.  It's irresponsible of society to think otherwise.

Speeding, Drunk Driving, Fooling around...

Just imagine it was your son that was hit by a drunk driver.  Would the driver be guilty of murder?

RIGHT ON:aok

[B@tfinkV]

at the very worst they would be guilty of manslaughter.

[Ripsnort]

Sailor,
I don't believe its murder in the 1st degree.  Possibly 2nd degree. I definately think its manslaughter, negilgent driving, and everything else you can throw the book at the offender.  But murder? I'm not so sure.  

Lets look at the definitions of voluntary manslaughter and non-voluntary manslaughter in general (varies from state to state)

Voluntary manslaughter is a felony of the first degree. A  person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits voluntary manslaughter if at the time of the killing he is acting under a sudden and intense passion resulting from serious provocation by:

--the individual killed

--another whom the actor endeavors to kill, but to negligently or accidently causes the death of the individual killed.


Involuntary manslaughter is a direct result of the doing of an unlawful act in a reckless or grossly negligent manner, or the doing of a lawful act in a reckless or grossly negligent manner, he causes the death of another person.

Now 1st degree murder is definately out in Drunk Driving, since the act of murder itself is not pre-meditated.  However, lets look at 2nd degree murder:

2nd Degree Murder Aperson commits the crime of murder in the second degree if:

(1) with intent to cause serious physical injury to another person or knowing that the conduct is substantially certain to cause death or serious physical injury to another person, the person causes the death of any person;


(2) the person knowingly engages in conduct that results in the death of another person under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to the value of human life.[/i]

I suppose in extreme cases drunk driving could indeed fall into 2nd degree murder.

Regarding if it was my son? You can't impose law based on your personal feelings in any particular case nor should we, as a society, base laws on personal instances of what has happened to our loved ones.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by SOB
Yes.  And as a matter of fact, any time I see anyone on a bicycle who is outside of a bicycle lane, I run them over.  Only a few have escaped the deadly punch of my Ford Thunderturd, and for those I stopped and backed over 'em.  I'm getting tired of just running down cyclists all the time though, so I think I'm going to start targeting jaywalkers next...they're worth more points.  Actually, now that I think of it, maybe I'll just model my driving on Death Race 2000.

"If they scatter, go for the baby and the mother!"

How many points do you get if you get the Snipercopgayforravonspandexpa nzybiker?

[lasersailor184]

Now 1st degree murder is definately out in Drunk Driving, since the act of murder itself is not pre-meditated. However, lets look at 2nd degree murder:

The act is premeditated.  The driver drove drunk knowing full well he could hurt someone.  But he still did it anyway.

Regarding if it was my son? You can't impose law based on your personal feelings in any particular case nor should we, as a society, base laws on personal instances of what has happened to our loved ones.

This is exactly what law and punishments are.  If they weren't there wouldn't be any punishments, no one would feel any pain and everyone would just live like nothing happened.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
The act is premeditated.  The driver drove drunk knowing full well he could hurt someone.  But he still did it anyway.



This is exactly what law and punishments are.  If they weren't there wouldn't be any punishments, no one would feel any pain and everyone would just live like nothing happened.

The act of premeditation is knowing the victim and planning to murder them. It is by no means 1st degree murder unless they can prove the driver and the victim knew each other.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by Toad
I wonder why lots of C-172's don't practice their instrument approaches at O'Hare from 5-7 PM every night.

Oh, wait... I know.

how simple of an explanation. guess i am the only one who read it... or maybe someone has no argument that can withstand such simple logic

[Ghosth]

100% agree Mustaine.

Toad summed it all up in once nice sweet package.