Author Topic: N. texas shooters (Read 1877 times)

fartwinkle · « **Reply #90 on:** February 24, 2006, 04:04:18 PM »

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Like I said, I have the photographic record and live witnesses that justify the statements of what I have done.

I must have missed the pics can you post em again?
Oh and dont just google up some lets see the real thing there great white hunter

Toad · « **Reply #91 on:** February 24, 2006, 04:06:18 PM »

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Oh, I can scan the old snapshot photos if you like.

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I have no resone to doubt you as unlike some I give the benefit of the doubt.

Changed your mind eh?

I'll dig out the albums and scan a few. This was in the age before digitals, so it'll be scanned snapshots.

But follow along here... you don't know me. You don't know what I look like.

If I do scan and post, are you just going to deny that's me and my elk?

fartwinkle · « **Reply #92 on:** February 24, 2006, 04:30:56 PM »

Just more opinions on the 223 for deer.

http://www.gunownersalliance.com/Rabbi_0303.htm

http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=73415

fartwinkle · « **Reply #93 on:** February 24, 2006, 04:31:50 PM »

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Changed your mind eh?

I'll dig out the albums and scan a few. This was in the age before digitals, so it'll be scanned snapshots.

But follow along here... you don't know me. You don't know what I look like.

If I do scan and post, are you just going to deny that's me and my elk?

Well I guess your safe then and have no way of proving anything.
Welcome to the intardnet.

Toad · « **Reply #94 on:** February 24, 2006, 04:34:57 PM »

Oh, I'll scan and post.

I just expect such a polite, thoughtful intardent person like you to disregard the evidence before you.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #95 on:** February 24, 2006, 04:49:08 PM »

Oh look theres more.

Toad safe to say that deer have been taken with 223rems.
Should someone do it? I say it depends on there abilities and there is the challege thats really all im saying.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/centerfire_22_biggame/

http://www.agfc.state.ar.us/hunterscorner/page10.html

Toad · « **Reply #96 on:** February 24, 2006, 05:15:39 PM »

OH LOOK! There's MORE and it says the EXACT SAME THING!

From the first article:

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....In other words, the fastest and flattest of the .22s have about the same effective range on deer as the .30-30....

(Wow... a ringing endorsement there eh?)

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.....If you decide to use the smallbores for deer, you must make a commitment to be extremely picky not only about shot placement, but also the acceptable shot presentation. Of course, there are deer and then there are deer. A 100-pound doe or yearling buck is not the same animal as a 300-pound northern buck; you have a bit more latitude in the shots you can take with the former. Because of this, in my mind the .22 centerfires are really not suited for the larger deer, nor for trophy buck hunting anywhere. Rather, they are their best when venison is the main goal, and with absolute priority given to shot placement and presentation.

Looks like he repeats the extreme limitations of the .223:

1. The deer is very small

2. The deer is taken at extreme short range

3. The shot is carefully placed.

All of those are in there. Once again it is not a "fine" cartridge for whitetail. It's a barely adequate cartridge that is "really not suited for the larger deer".

The second link is all pictures, only one mentioning a .223.

I see one where a little girl has killed a fawn the size of a bobcat with a .223. Is that the one that proves this cartridge is only for the highly skilled hunter looking for a challenge and that the .223 is a "fine" whitetail cartridge?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #97 on:** February 24, 2006, 05:20:26 PM »

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Oh look theres more.

Toad safe to say that deer have been taken with 223rems.
Should someone do it? I say it depends on there abilities and there is the challege thats really all im saying.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/centerfire_22_biggame/

http://www.agfc.state.ar.us/hunterscorner/page10.html

This thread is going to be ruined if one of the euro******* looks at that second link! OMG children killing things with guns... at age 10..... OMG we are such iresponsible cowboys!!

Toad · « **Reply #98 on:** February 24, 2006, 06:54:32 PM »

I did already post a pic of the elk my son took at Fort Riley with my .300 Wby.

325 yards or a bit more actually.

Use Enough Gun

Airscrew · « **Reply #99 on:** February 24, 2006, 07:20:44 PM »

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I see one where a little girl has killed a fawn the size of a bobcat with a .223. Is that the one that proves this cartridge is only for the highly skilled hunter looking for a challenge and that the .223 is a "fine" whitetail cartridge?

fartwinkle · « **Reply #100 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:44:32 PM »

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I see one where a little girl has killed a fawn the size of a bobcat with a .223. Is that the one that proves this cartridge is only for the highly skilled hunter looking for a challenge and that the .223 is a "fine" whitetail cartridge?

yeah this one

She took the 4-point on opening day and the nice 6-point the next afternoon. Both deer were taken in Independence county, the first in zone 8 and the second in zone 6. She was using her mother’s Savage .223.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #101 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:57:18 PM »

Oh I still see no pics of your great shots.
Again talk is cheap show us atleast a time stamped target if ya can:rolleyes:

I see nothing from you but hot air so welcom to the ignore list as you dont seem to have the maturity to handle an honest debate.

Also if anyone cared to read the whole thread I simply asked if anyone wanted to go shooting not to get into an intardnet pissing contest with the under equipped.

And last word on this subject is I have shown many links to folks that have taken white tails with the 223 and you have shown me nothing but some dudes opinion.

And now im suppossed to be somebody called wombat:rofl
Good god man please try to be more creative.

And give Skuzzy more credit will you because if for one minute he thought i was who you think I am he would say bye bye.

And those of you that think your so smart with your shade accounts LOL
man dont you know Skuzzy knows who you are.
Give the dude some credit.

Toad · « **Reply #102 on:** February 24, 2006, 11:02:16 PM »

Yep, looks like she got a couple of smallish bucks. Good for her. Both of them bigger than the fawn the other girl got with a .223.

Now, any info on the range? Nope.

Any info on shooting from a blind? Nope.

Any info on moving/still target? Nope.

No one says a .223 can't kill deer.

Deer have been killed with a .22 Long. That doesn't make the .22 Long a "fine" cartridge for whitetail.

As has been pointed out...by the authors of the very articles YOU post... no one other than you seems to think the .223 Rem is a "fine" whitetail cartridge EXCEPT in certain specific circumstances.

Those circumstances are, of course, smallish deer, short range and easy shots.

To posit that the .223 Rem is a "fine" whitetail cartridge in any other circumstance is laughable.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #103 on:** February 24, 2006, 11:03:58 PM »

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Yep, looks like she got a couple of smallish bucks. Good for her. Both of them bigger than the fawn the other girl got with a .223.

Now, any info on the range? Nope.

Any info on shooting from a blind? Nope.

Any info on moving/still target? Nope.

No one says a .223 can't kill deer.

Deer have been killed with a .22 Long. That doesn't make the .22 Long a "fine" cartridge for whitetail.

As has been pointed out...by the authors of the very articles YOU post... no one other than you seems to think the .223 Rem is a "fine" whitetail cartridge EXCEPT in certain specific circumstances.

Those circumstances are, of course, smallish deer, short range and easy shots.

To posit that the .223 Rem is a "fine" whitetail cartridge in any other circumstance is laughable.

LOL your like a **** that wont flush even when confronted with the facts you still argue the true sign of maturity:rofl

Toad · « **Reply #104 on:** February 25, 2006, 06:55:21 AM »

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LOL your like a **** that wont flush even when confronted with the facts you still argue the true sign of maturity:rofl

Facts? That the .223 REM is a "fine" whitetail cartridge?

I think you're the one ignoring facts. You haven't been able to find a single article that even suggests, let alone recommends, the .223 as a "fine" whitetail cartridge.

All you can dredge up is a very few articles that say a .22 CF will work under certain highly restrictive conditions.

Duh. Yeah, people hunt and kill deer with the .357 magnum too... sure as hell isn't a "fine" whitetail deer cartridge overall. It's a highly restricted cartridge for taking whitetail, just like the .223 REM.

Then you find a pair of pics showing two girls that managed to bag small whitetails with a .223 REM and that becomes your "proof". I guess you noticed the dozens of other pics at that site where people used a more appropriate cartridge. It probably never dawned on you that the .223 users in that group of pics were a tiny minority and were females.

It appears the obvious easily escapes you.

Use whatever you like; please don't try to BS some new hunter into thinking the .223 REM is "fine" cartridge for all whitetail hunting. It simply is not and you haven't found a single thing to show otherwise.