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Offline streakeagle

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« on: February 23, 2006, 12:54:59 PM »
Why I am posting a request for info on jets at a WWII forum? Because I know Russians that have direct access to the info I need hang out here :)

The Strike Fighters Project 1/Wings Over Vietnam modder community is working hard to make both the 3d models and flight models of all aircraft as authentic as possible. While plenty of data is readily available on Western aircraft, the MiGs and Sus have posed a bit of a challenge. By some miracle the entire pilot's manual for the MiG-23 is available for download as a pdf. The information provided is outstanding! If such information were available for all aircraft, it would be a tremendous help. Cockpit photos and/or layout diagrams are even harder to come by.

If you or anyone you know has detailed information or photos on any variants of any Soviet military jet aircraft from the first to ever fly all the way to the present, then please let me know.

Presently, the hunt for info is focused on the:
Su-15
MiG-17
MiG-21

But obviously any data or photos beyond what can be found on the web would be appreciated for all other aircraft as well.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2006, 01:48:31 PM »
This should help you out a bit............... http://www.airwar.ru/amaine.html

Heres another http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw_fn.html .....might help if you can read a little Russian on this one LOL
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2006, 02:28:55 PM »
Boroda might be able to get you a MiG 17 on Loan.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2006, 04:54:49 PM »
Yea.  Boroda is clearly an unbiased source. LOL.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2006, 07:57:21 PM »
Borada`s facts and inside info are only topped by Soupy sales.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2006, 08:11:31 PM »
Thank you for the replies, but web pages don't have nearly enough beyond standard dimensions/specifications.

Biased or not, Boroda is exactly the type of person who could help me get scanned images of real Soviet manuals or go in person to get cockpit photos.

I am looking for data like this example for the MiG-23:



Wing forward:


Wing mid & back:


I don't care if it is in Russian. I can translate it well enough to get what I need from charts/graphs. I need actual aerodynamic coefficients and high quality cockpit photos so the text around the instruments can be modeled and translated.

For those who aren't aware, SFP1/WoV uses detailed aerodynamic co-efficient charts for the flight models. The stock FMs are a dumbed down quite a bit to make it a fun game for casual pilots, but with large volumes of accurate data, the open source ini files can be tweaked to get very accurate performance. I am part of the FM geek team and even wrote the utility that permits generating standard performance charts from an FM ini file for verification/tweaking.

These are the kind of results I got after a few weeks of tweaking the F-4. The blue lines in the upper chart and red lines in the lower chart represent my latest revision. The charts are from the USN F-4B pilot manual. I had some issues at supersonic speeds, but will get it better the next time I work on it. Subsonic performance is almost dead on.





In the meantime, the 3d modelers and painters have cranked out a ton of quality work. But many of the early models didn't have cockpits of their own. The modders are retrofitting 3-d cockpits with high poly counts and photo real textures. Many of the Soviet aircraft don't have enough high quality pics from the variety of angles and zooms to even begin modeling an accurate pit. Common aircraft, like the MiG-21, have lots of pics. The 3-d pits are awesome! Aircraft not commonly exported and long out of service are much harder to document. At the moment, cockpit shots of the Su-15F (NATO Flagon-A) would be real useful.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2006, 09:43:28 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2006, 10:33:00 PM »
Did a quick search of the FAA database.  Try writing to some of these guys for MiG info.

MiG Aircraft Certification Inquiry


No Su-15s listed.

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2006, 10:37:25 PM »
I'd tell them what you're looking for and why you're looking.  You want to find some data which will aid in the accurate modeling of the aircraft and increase exposure for the type of aircraft they own.

Send out a few nice (professional) letters and include all your contact info (Name, Address, Email, Phone and Fax) and you might get more than you'd ever imagine.  Be sure to include a link to a site which shows what the mod guys have done.

I also remember someone saying that the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan has the worlds greatest collection of various flight manuals and what not.  Might be worthy of writing a letter there.  I have no contact info off hand.

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2006, 10:41:41 PM »
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Originally posted by Golfer
Did a quick search of the FAA database.  Try writing to some of these guys for MiG info.

MiG Aircraft Certification Inquiry


No Su-15s listed.


That is an excellent idea :)

It must be nice to be wealthy enough to own and operate your very own Mach 2 MiG-21.
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