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dmf · « **Reply #60 on:** February 28, 2006, 07:46:52 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
You see, that's a scary part. What I've said was an absolute nonsense, and yet, in today's era of a big and omnipotent government and rabit out of control courts, it is to some extent believable.

Wel lall I can say about Peta and the ALF is guess what part of my body they can both kiss.

Sandman · « **Reply #61 on:** February 28, 2006, 08:10:43 PM »

I hear the Redback spider in Australia is as nasty as the Black Widow.

Other than the color, it looks almost the same.

VOR · « **Reply #62 on:** February 28, 2006, 10:04:38 PM »

Bikini spiders are deadly, too.

MIShill · « **Reply #63 on:** February 28, 2006, 10:51:17 PM »

As a plastic surgeon taking hospital ER call, I've seen only 3-4 bad recluse bites over a 20 year span. They can appear quite innocuous initially, but as the cells die they release the toxin which is picked up by more cells & so on......then comes 2ndary infection......rare but horrible wounds.
-MI-{Shillelagh}

xrtoronto · « **Reply #64 on:** March 01, 2006, 03:40:12 PM »

Above is a picture of a 'fishing or dock spider' found in cottage country north of Toronto. It's a big spider, about the size of an average hand. Not generally agressive or known for their bites but gawd are they scary to look at! They are hairy and move very quickly about. They also have an ability to hide underwater. My moment of encounter with one of these was waking up one beautiful summer morning at the cottage and just as I opened my eyes I saw one of these spiders about 3 inches from my face on my pillow.

here's a blurb about dock spiders

slimm50 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 01, 2006, 04:17:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Fact, fear, and loathing

In other words... don't worry about 'em.

oh... and

Snopes is your friend.

This is also a good read.

Awwww...c'mon Sandy, some folks get off bein scared outta their wits.

Spoil-sport.

Henrique Jitsu · « **Reply #66 on:** March 01, 2006, 11:42:02 PM »

There are also some spiders here, but we also got antidotes

Actually,when you get bit by a spider/snake you are advised to capture the insect and take it alive to a hospital that they can make the antidote in a day, unless they got some stocked.

The darker/hairer/uglier/bigger=painfull bit but no poison
The colorful/smaller/cute=killer poison

Weird

I dont know if it happes there on USA but its something that makes me laugh.
A vet takes his tarantula to a tv show and the beautiful blonde tv presenter ask to hold it. The vet speaks a lot to her dont shake ger hand and to dont let the spider fall because it got a weak belly and surely will die if fall from anything higher than 2 feet. Then the tarantula starts to walk on the tv presenter arm and she starts to shake and the vet go crazy. Double fun with the tv presenter faces and with the vet nervousism

Henrique Jitsu · « **Reply #67 on:** March 01, 2006, 11:52:24 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
About 1/5 people are allergic to black widows.

Those who are not allergic suffer from extreme fever and hallucinations for 24 hours. It is rumoured that those bitten twice are barely affected. But no one volunteered for it again.

Its because the first time its a strange corpus on your organism, all the fever and the 24 hours is what takes to your organism produce the right antidote.On the second time you get bit,the formula is there,just need to make it

Vulcan · « **Reply #68 on:** March 02, 2006, 01:21:36 AM »

We have a similar spider ... well its bite is said to have similar reactions, its an Aussie import, the White Tail.

Theres a big argument over what its bite does. Some say it causes necrotising arachnidism, flesh rot. Others say it causes long term flu symptoms. Others say it depends on the spiders diet (it eats other spiders).

I got bit one about 4 years ago and it put me in hospital for 4 days with bad asthma. Ever since then I've had asthma back (had it when I was a kid up to 12, then it stopped) and been on regular asthma meds.

A customer of mine also got bit, she got the flu like symptoms which come and go for 2 years.

All the official studies say the bite does nothing but irritate. But they also say the spider is not agressive, which is BS, I've come across big uns in my garage and they are very very argressive (ie charge you with their fangs and forelimbs raised). So I'm inclined to believe their might be different whitetail species involved.

Very wierd spider.

Sixpence · « **Reply #69 on:** March 02, 2006, 06:59:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
There are also some spiders here, but we also got antidotes
Actually,when you get bit by a spider/snake you are advised to capture the insect and take it alive to a hospital that they can make the antidote in a day, unless they got some stocked.

When I was bit('92' iirc), it was explained like this, the black widow's poison is a neurotoxin that is different from snake venom and can't be used to make an antidote. At the time there was no antidote for a black widow poison, there was an experimental antidote but that had side effects that could kill you and they didn't have any on hand anyway.

I hear they have made an antidote, shoot, maybe they have found a way to use the venom, but that is what the doctors told me at the time.

Schatzi · « **Reply #70 on:** March 02, 2006, 07:23:14 AM »

Well, i admit freely i suffer from arachnophobia as well.

having some medical and zoological education i know perfectly well that they are mostly pretty harmless, especially speaking Europe here. Still makes my insides quiver in panic when i see one, see pics etc. Funnily enough, they fascinate me none the less.

Funny anecdote: A few years ago we had an unexpected and very unwelcome guest at zoological institute of vet school in Munich. Some guy coming home from a trip to Australia saw a small black spider running out of his suitcase on unpacking. Instead of just stepping on it, he caught it with a glass and called the firemen. Those, not knowing what to do with the possible "threat" called the zoological institute. Which came, took the now "official and known-to-authority" dangerous animal in "custody". It was indeed identified as a black widow species. But..... now what.... they had a small (about 1/3 inch WITH legs) black spider (more or less a danger) sitting in a jelly jar, inside another glass box inside another, save, glass box. Had it ever escaped, theyd probably never heard or seen anything from it again. They didnt know how to feed it, they couldnt kill it (since it was an official thing).........
We (students and prof) had a good laugh about it, prof said he just wished the guy wouldve smashed the thing on sight. Unfortunatly i dont know what happened to the poor, unsuspecting spider. It probably had to starve to death in its jar.....

Saintaw · « **Reply #71 on:** March 02, 2006, 07:29:27 AM »

I have news for you: One of my co workers (MD) told me yesterday that there are stats out there that states that a human being eats an average of eight spiders in his life. this happpens during the night, when you sleep with your mouth open..; they crawl in, and you swallow.

I have been sleeping with a gas mask on ever since.

The best anti-spider thing to have: When I was a kid, back in Djakarta, we had an ape (Gibbon?)staying with us, he would take care of spiders and cockroaches. I guess that's the only reason my mum let it roam around the house freely (she was less happy when he ate her flemmish lace though...)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #72 on:** March 02, 2006, 07:45:49 AM »

LMAO Here
This is all most of you guys need

Oh and this will give you some practice. If you can master killing flys, you can master spiders which move alot slower

FlySwat

And Finally for yourselves

FiLtH · « **Reply #73 on:** March 02, 2006, 08:18:49 AM »

Ive had two minor black widow experiences. Both while stationed in Texas. The first time it was at night, and there was a water main leak near the apron of the field. There were valves, that are naturally underground, in valve boxes. Round pipe that goes from the surface down to the valve. An extention piece withe a block shape at each end that you put a valve wrench on usually gets buried by the dust thatblows so nice in Abilene.

I didnt have a flashlight, and I couldnt get the wrench on. So I figured Id use my fingers to scratch away the dirt. When I reached in the hole I felt a stringy web. Knowing that black widows dont make nice webs..just these criss-crossing lines, I yanked my hand back. Again I tried with just the wrench and I was able to turn it off.

The next day when we had the leak fixed I went to turn it back on. When I flipped the cover off the valve box...there in all its glory sat a big fat black widow.Im surprised it didnt get on my arm, or worse bite me. I was real careful after that.

The other time I was working on a mop sink faucet. Real tight work as the faucet is in a bad place to get at. Up inside I started to reach when I noticed the web again...this time not by feel but by sight. I squeezed under for a better look...and there she was. I think a nearby plunger handle finished her off.

As far as scorpions...the grounds crew..the guys who dug up our water mains, had a couple of clowns that would cut the stingers off scorpions, and hold them, then say look what I found...and throw it in your face. Nice lot.

Leslie · « **Reply #74 on:** March 02, 2006, 09:54:17 AM »

Was helping repair an elevated deer shooting house one time. It was about ten feet off the ground and 4 x 4 x 6 or so. Upon entering the stand with a hammer, I noticed vertical mud dauber tubes running the length from bottom to top inside the stand. Climbing up I had noticed irregular webs out in the open beneath the stand. This stand hadn't been used in a long time and was out in the woods.

I knocked one of the dauber tubes with the hammer, and out fell about 1000 dead black widow spiders. Just about made me panic until I noticed they were dead. I got out of there fast. Looked like a couple of them were alive and they received the hammer treatment. But they were small ones.

Discovered a very large one in a water meter at Gulf Shores, which is sandy terrain and somewhat dry. There were crickets alive in there, and I suppose that's what this one was hunting. Abdomen was the size of a marble with a two inch leg span. I've had nightmares where spiders are everywhere, but don't think I've been bitten by one. Though I've heard that black widow bites go un-noticed sometimes and aren't painful at first. They cause cramping in the stomach and back aches. Multiple bites could be painful from the start and very serious if you get into a nest and several bite. The one time I heard of this was I read in the newspaper when a man was reaching behind a bench in his shop and several bit him in the stomach area. He described it as being on fire instantly. This was a serious bite situation that could have been fatal.

Have heard tell that there is evidence that black widows chose whether to inject venom and that they meter the dose according to the circumstances. In other words, they can bite and not inject venom. It is not an involuntary reaction. If that is the case, all bites are not equal. Depends on how angry or upset it is, defending territory or such.

Always look before sticking your hand somewhere a spider could be. Even gloves stored outdoors in the shed might have a spider inside. Store gloves in the house in a toolbox where spiders are much less likely to be. Then wear them when outdoors working around woodpiles or any pile of cans, etc, that have been there for awhile. Because that's where they live, in any undisturbed dark place with moisture available. Moist areas attract them because that's where the food is. Be on guard of any place that has irregular webs in corners.

Les