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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2006, 12:59:27 AM »
...and I can't recall a single flight sim dedicated to the Tomcat.

pfft.
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« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2006, 01:13:08 AM »
Some analysts expect the global oil reserves to deplete in 30 years anyway. Do these things fly without kerosene?
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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2006, 01:14:34 AM »
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...and I can't recall a single flight sim dedicated to the Tomcat.

pfft.


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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2006, 08:46:32 AM »
Turn and Burn: No Fly Zone for the Super Nintendo



Tomcat Alley for the Sega CD

Just to name a couple more...

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« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2006, 09:54:12 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2006, 11:27:56 AM »
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...and I can't recall a single flight sim dedicated to the Tomcat.

pfft.


After the last posts you shoulda stopped this one right after you said "I can't recall"



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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2006, 11:34:14 AM »
I should have qualified that... :)

Nothing since 1997. Nine years of advances in computer processors and graphics and you name it. With the networking capabilities we have today, wouldn't it be nice to have a game where a couple of us could get together on line, you take the front seat and I'll take the back and go kill stuff.

It's time for a really GOOD Tomcat sim. ;)
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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2006, 11:42:27 AM »
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What am I missing?


Stealth
Vectored thrust
Supercruise
Phase-array radar
Stealth
Datalinks, making for extremely fast target sorting
Guaranteed first look, first shoot capability
Did I mention stealth?

On paper, the only thing that could hang with it in a knifefight are Su-37s (iirc, only 1 exists, as a demonstrator). However, it wouldn't already eaten a volley of slammers before it knew it an F-22 was anywhere close. How do you fight against something that can outrun you, can't even be bugged, let alone engaged with radar guided missles, and can turn 9g's instantly at a much wider range of airspeeds? It could probably do alot more if it didn't need a pilot onboard :) Last I read, they were running 2 vs 8 engagements against F-15s and "clubbing them like baby seals". One of the problems they've run into is they have an aircraft so capable, they're still making up new missions as they go along.

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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2006, 12:40:17 PM »
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The F-15 and F-14 already pwn everything in existance... I'll grant that Europe, China, and Russia are putting out amazing aircraft, but they still don't match the Eagle or Tomcat yet...so if you ask me the F-22 is a waste.

The Raptor began it's development when the Soviet Union was a threat... and with the USSR out of the picture, I really don't see why the Raptor needs to exist...  

If you ask me, continued development of the Eagle and Tomcat would have had us covered for the next 20 to 30 years (at least)... but that's just my opinion.

The Super-Cruise of the Raptor is pretty sweet though.

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The pilot makes the aircraft perform. Put our best in a Tomcat or Eagle against their best...in anything....game, set, match.

The 22 is more govt overkill.

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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2006, 12:56:33 PM »
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<------ Big Tomcat fan here... I was reading a couple of threads down about the trap of the last Tomcat in a combat mission... Someone said that the maintenence time for a Tomcat is like 8 times longer than for the Super Hornet.

I still think that a kickin fighter like the T-cat is worth the maintenence time, but in a world that is so hell-bent on preserving the almighty dollar, the only logical thing would be to make the Tomcat everybody's favorite static display... Sad times...


Well, I think that as you add on more maintenence time per hour of flight, you introduce more opportunities to go wrong.  Especially since it's still man that is making the repairs.  I don't believe all the restrictions and rules governing the military could prevent all problems.
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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2006, 01:02:09 PM »
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The pilot makes the aircraft perform. Put our best in a Tomcat or Eagle against their best...in anything....game, set, match.

The 22 is more govt overkill.


But what about the "other guys" newest, best plane.  It takes decades to develop a new weapons platform and I'd hate to have our pilots get outclassed by the other guys plane.

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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2006, 01:13:32 PM »
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The pilot makes the aircraft perform. Put our best in a Tomcat or Eagle against their best...in anything....game, set, match.

The 22 is more govt overkill.


Who are "they" and why do you think "their" pilots are so much inferior to american pilots? ;)

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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2006, 02:18:25 PM »
No matter what you think of the current gen of fighters, the fact of the matter is airframes do not last forever. Combat a/c have to be replaced eventually. It doesnt make sense to not improve the designs when you do that. Thats why despite the F-86 Sabre being a fine fighter, the USAF and NATO countries no longer use it.

The F-15, F-14, F-16, Harrier, Tornado, et al will have to be replaced eventually, no matter how good they may be currently.

I think the right question is how much better (and more expensive), do they need to be? and how does that fit with long term strategy of the services involved.

What makes a modern AF capable is not just the a/c they fly but the personnel that backs them up, the training, the combat support, the strategy and tactics involved, the weapons they employ.  Despite being supposedly low tech and due for retirement the two of the most effective fighters in the 1991 Gulf War were the A-10 and the Jaguar. Neither cost 100 million dollars. Despite being subsonic the A-6 Intruder is widely regarded as the USNs best attack a/c for many decades, and so on.  

Say, looking at the B-2, I think when you end up with a bomber that costs 1 billion dollars a copy, at that point it can be argued that a design is costing more than what you are getting in return, ie. value for the money.
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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2006, 04:27:43 PM »
Like I said above squire, I cant see the f16 being replaced in the near future.  The plane is very cheap to make, think I read it being able to be made at $3 mil a plane.  Its very manueverable and decent speed.  Just name a country that isnt a 3rd world that doesnt have the f16.
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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2006, 05:09:28 PM »
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Just name a country that isnt a 3rd world that doesnt have the f16.


UK and Germany... thats 2 but there are more :D