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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2006, 11:59:19 AM »
And nobody knows how many millions will get cancer as a result of the fallout that spread all over europe.
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2006, 01:28:19 PM »
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"Catholic Church is partially responsible for crisis in Poland in early-80s, but USSR didn't interfere there."

We need a calender of your best posts. That ones a keeper.

The USSR feared the Catholic Church (and any other religion), as it did any institution that it could not control directly, like the press, and television. It was about loyalty to the state, and anything that subverted that, was a threat. Cant have folks listening to what the opinion of the Pope is on something over what the Central Commitees policy is, who knows where that might lead? :confused:


Even Stalin cooperated with Orthodox Church since the War.

Catholic Church in Poland wasn't destroyed even closely to the state of disaster in USSR before the War.

Churches became centers of "opposition" in Poland in late-70s. It is a fact.

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As far as not interfering, thats too funny, since the Warsaw Pact got their marching orders from the Kremlin.


Interesting view. It wasn't so. It's hard for you to imagine the level of discussion between the sides in Warsaw Treaty. At least it didn't have that beautiful statement in it's regulations like NATO has, about US interests and involvement. This part of NATO documents is unprecedented, it's like Article 6 in Soviet Constitution of 1977.

Why not find some literature translated from Russian about Warsaw Treaty instead of repeating things like that? Or there is no "demand" for truth? :rolleyes: Or maybe you simply have been told that there is no such demand?

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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2006, 01:43:37 PM »
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They don't have the same social conditioning to 'right & wrong' we grew up with.. they truly think some of our concepts of 'fair' are outright hilarious.


We don't have the samesocial conditioning to 'right & wrong' you grew up with.

Some definitions of "fairness" that you use are absolutely alien to us.

We are different and we want to stay different.

We live on inner laws, concepts that we feel, and we don't care much about written laws. It may be called a part of "social contract" here. "Strictness of Russian laws is compensated by the fact that they are not supposed to be followed". See above about listening to Western propaganda radio. Everyone did it and noone cared.

Such attitude is one of the sources of our disasters, but I don't want to live in a society that mechanically follows the law. Fun for a Russian - death for a German. (when that proverb appered - word "nemets" meant not only Germans but all foreigners).

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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2006, 02:12:03 PM »
urchin..  Most everyone I know wants to treat people fairly and be treated fairly.... every business I know of that isn't run by or in cahoots with the government treats people fairly.

Any business  that the government has anthing to do with is beyond corrupt with no moral compass....  you seem to want more of this.... socialism...

All socialist programs are rife with corruption and waste and give people very little for their money.  

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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2006, 03:37:11 PM »
Its fact Police forces and governments take bribes in all countries. this is how what we call the human race was spawned.

love how you guys point the finger there though, as if your area of the planet is any better.

there is so much small time 'power' to be grabbed by everyone is so many little ways that the human race has become hyper-materialistic and totaly poker faced about it. the fate of our spieces is dependant on the individual's soul and how it rests on departure from this madness.
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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2006, 03:54:29 PM »
Isn't there a spy novel with this exact plotline? Seems like I've read this before....

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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2006, 05:07:38 PM »
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We don't have the samesocial conditioning to 'right & wrong' you grew up with.

Some definitions of "fairness" that you use are absolutely alien to us.

We are different and we want to stay different.

We live on inner laws, concepts that we feel, and we don't care much about written laws. It may be called a part of "social contract" here. "Strictness of Russian laws is compensated by the fact that they are not supposed to be followed". See above about listening to Western propaganda radio. Everyone did it and noone cared.

Such attitude is one of the sources of our disasters, but I don't want to live in a society that mechanically follows the law. Fun for a Russian - death for a German. (when that proverb appered - word "nemets" meant not only Germans but all foreigners).


We're quite aware that you are 'different' and wanna stay that way.

Boroda, nothin would cheer me up more on a monday than to hear your confused and paranoid land fulla nutball commies without a cause dove back into it's own 1950's era bellybutton and dissapeared forthwith.
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