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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2006, 01:04:17 AM »
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So... time to end this silly war on terror and get to the real problem.

Islamism.

or

Fundamentalism.


Try:

"Fundamentalislamacist."

Ooooh. Sounds like 'mullah in a brown shirt'. Evokes all kindsa negativity.

Somebody call Colbert.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2006, 01:09:34 AM »
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After a thousand years, one could have hoped that we would have got past the crusades.

Pity.


Hell.. all that's missing is a resurgence of the plauge.







" ...the........ plauge....... *gasp*  .... plauge...."
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2006, 01:10:52 AM »
The only -ism I'm happily following is capitalism :)
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2006, 01:38:45 AM »
hedonism is big around here.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2006, 03:51:30 AM »
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The only -ism I'm happily following is capitalism :)


Über capitalism is another form of fundamentalism, it is the tyranny of money. Free market is good IMO but I believe that pure speculation is a big hinderance to development.

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I strongly believe that the only thing that can pierce and overcome the darkness of Islam, is the light of the Gospel.


You're trying to cure burn wounds with acid.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2006, 04:27:13 AM »
Hmmmm...................

I see a BIG difference between East and West.

Or maybe I should say Islam and Christian.

Islam says ALL WILL believe as they are told or ELSE!  ALL WILL worship as they are told or ELSE!

Christianity does not REQUIRE this?  At times in history it has been pushed very strongly at others, which IMHO is very wrong, and there have been wars over it.  Which IMHO is also very wrong.  In America if memory serves me correctly Christianity has never been required of the population.

The seeming hatered I've seen on this board for those of the Christian faith puzzles me.  I don't understand it I guess.

Would someone care to explain this reaction?  Is it emotional?  On what is it based?
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2006, 09:56:17 AM »
maybe it's just me nash but looking at muslim countries and then looking at christian ones....

I seem to be able to make a pretty sharp  comparisson between the two brands of fundamentalism.   I think I will worry much less about the the mormon kids in white shirt and tie at the door.

lazs

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2006, 10:35:33 AM »
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The only -ism I'm happily following is capitalism :)
but france is a socialst country!!!

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2006, 03:17:08 PM »
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You know to this day, I'm not quite sure why I answer these questions. I post something about a group of non-religious Europeans calling people to oppose Islamism, and which I am almost in full agreement with, and as usual within a few posts its all about how stupid orthodox Christianity (and my belief in it) is. It'd be quicker to just start a thread entitled "kick me."


Just dont pay attention to those who are starting to say you hate things non-Christian, or those you just say you hate. Pay no mind to those folks my friend. Some of us DO understand where you are coming from. I for one do appreciate your posts. :)
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2006, 03:32:13 PM »
Nash,

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Well maybe they aren't, but you sure as hell are.

Let me give you an example:

"I strongly believe that the only thing that can pierce and overcome the darkness of Islam, is the light of the Gospel."

whereas THEY say:

"I strongly believe that the only thing that can pierce and overcome the darkness of the Gospel, is the light of Islam."

What exactly is the difference between y'all?

It's all about darkeness and peircing and war and end times with you guys.

Ya know what? That crap aint working for the "*******s" and it SURE as hell aint working for anyone here. So maybe it's high time that you back the eff out of international politics and start talking about peace and love et al, like yer supposed to, and quit pressuring brain dead leaders into stepping into quagmires based on your particular version of a particular book of a particular religeon.


What's the difference? Well let's see, the Christian missionaries I know, don't have petrodollars bankrolling them, they have to raise their own pitiful support household by household and church by church, it's usually young couples, often with kids. They do things like go into areas like Aceh and help Muslims to remove thousands of rotting corpses from their beaches, or into Kashmir to provide relief to people who have lost everything to earthquakes or into the Amazon to provide medical relief to peoples who have never had any healthcare at all. As they go they build schools and churches and they preach the good news. They don't force people to listen, neither do they require that people become "Westernized" first, nor do they even condition the material help they offer on a person accepting the gospel.

What don't they do? They don't tell women they must remain covered head to foot in cloth and only go outside if accompanied by their nearest male  relative. They don't tell people that women are the equivalent of cattle and should not be educated.They don't teach men to take multiple wives or to beat them when they are disobedient. They don't tell people you get into heaven by dying in a holy war or through your own works, rather they tell people that heaven is a free gift given by a merciful God to all those who will believe in His Son, who died for them. They don't teach people to kill those who apostatize, or to stone adulterers. Unlike the Madrassas in many areas, they don't split their instruction between weapons training and religious instruction. And they don't foster terrorist cells in their midst.  

They go out, spreading the message of peace between God and man through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1), not via the use of the AK47, or Sharia law, or suicide bombings, or dhimmitude and social and economic stigma, or molotov cocktails, and without compulsion. The only compulsion they use is that which the Holy Spirit brings to bear on the hearts of men. The fruits of that work that I have actually seen are that where there was once oppression and guilt and misery there is now love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. I say that not only having observed it in others who were converted from Islam, but in my own experience, being a convert from darkness myself - I know experimentally what the Psalmist meant when he said, "Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!" I fear that without that experience, all the rhetoric in the world on my part is not going to persuade you of the night and day difference between the Jihadi and the Missionary.

As for the "political" side you mention, and pressuring "brain-dead" political leaders, I don't even know how to really respond. I don't personally have any involvement in politics, and our church has zero political activity. We don't invite political leaders to speak, do election day sermons, voter drives, or hand out voters guides. And I certainly do not preach partisan politics from the pulpit, as always you are free to check the veracity of that statement at: http://providencepca.sermonaudio.com

If you want a simple, real-world introduction though to the stark difference between the world view of Christian Missionaries and the Jihadis, I would recommend you pick up a copy of In the Presence of My Enemies, the story of Martin and Gracia Burnham, missionaries to the Phillipines who spent over a year as captives of Abu Sayyaf (only Gracia survived.) The title of the book is of course taken from Psalm 23:5.

The picture below is one taken during their captivity, (in case there are problems telling the difference the Jihadis are the guys in the background.)

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2006, 04:45:46 PM »
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maybe it's just me nash but looking at muslim countries and then looking at christian ones....

I seem to be able to make a pretty sharp  comparisson between the two brands of fundamentalism.   I think I will worry much less about the the mormon kids in white shirt and tie at the door.

lazs


Very true!

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2006, 05:08:42 PM »
The History Channel had a "Decoding The past" thing on the Koran (sp?) last night.  I only caught the tail end of it, maybe it will be on again.  Anyways, they made a comment that made me raise an eyebrowe...that perhaps the religon of Islam is going through the "growing pains" that the Christian religion went thru hundreds of years ago.

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2006, 10:18:23 PM »
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What's the difference?  


This week alone produced, in quick succession, a bill to ban abortion in  Mississippi...

The Supreme Court ruling that allows anti-choice goons to terrorize girls when they visit their doctors...

A love letter from new SC justice Alito to Dobson...

South Dakota's bill to ban abortion including pregnancies resulting from rape and incest...

Domino's Pizza founder and devout Catholic Tom Monaghan's official breaking ground and building an entirely new town giving complete control of its denizen's to him - based on his strict interpretation of Catholism - where, amongst other restrictions, pharmacies aren't even allowed to carry contraceptives...

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considering a bill that would name Christianity as the state's official "majority" religion, recognizing "a Christian god," and the protecting of the "majority's" right to express their religious beliefs without similar protections of any other religion, saying that "a greater power exists," yet only Christianity receives (in its own words) "justified recognition"....

Walmart finally buckling and agreeing to stock the morning after pill despite the initial heavy Christopath protesting and Walmart's initial acquiescence to them.

Just this week. Alone.

Ya know what? If I was a chick, I'd make a personal policy and tell all of my friends to just quit ****ing you guys. No protection against pregnancy, no protection against STD's, no protection in the event of any accident means no sex for you bozos... whatsoever... and you don't even have porn to fall back on. Then brace yourself against the gale force winds caused by the shuffling of papers that would see these laws redacted faster than you could say I-haven't-been-laid-in-eight-months.

Anyways....

In my remarks to you, Seagoon, I say "You".... but I'm not talking about you personally. I admit that it can easily come across that way. That's my bad. When I say "You" I am speaking about all that "You" represent. I trust that you don't bring politics into your sermons, but collectively, "You" are being investigated by the IRS on a massive scale for the rampant violations of campaign laws. "You," it's widely accepted, were responsible for putting Bush over the top in 2004. "You" are the reason that Bush diverted his plane from yet another vacation in order to legislate the sad and otherwise intimate death of a Florida woman, and "You" strong-arm this administration with great success in matters of war and domestic policy.

"You" are more a part of the equation that is Government and governance today than has ever, EVER been the case since America's rejection of Theocracy and Monarchy oh so long ago, which by the way, was the very basis upon which America was founded.

It matters not that you distance yourself from your compadres when it comes to policy. Preach it or not, you are a part of it, and support it. I dare you to tell me otherwise with respect to any of these issues.

And despite your attempt to distance yourself from the world's other fundamentalists, at the heart of it, it all comes down to one single thing. The control of other people based on your personal beliefs. Eastern fundamentalists want the same things as you, even though you might squabble over the margins.

I'll make this easy.
 
I don't want any government or any institution to have any control over mine nor anyone's personal behavior so long as that behavior doesn't bring harm to someone else's right to same.

Guys like me? It's not complicated. We like: “…establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of Liberty for ourselves and our posterity.” Not much to it.

But whoah boy - that's a little too fast and loose for the Fundamentalists. Both "you" and "them."

You folks have more in common than you think.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2006, 11:09:01 PM »
RUN FOR THE HILLS NASH THE CHRISTIANS ARE COMING.....THE CHRISTIANS ARE COMING.  THEY MIGHT HIT YOU WITH A BIBLE AND THEN YOU ARE SCREWED!

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2006, 11:14:28 PM »
Nash is just dark-sided!

Rebuke him!;)