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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2006, 10:05:17 PM »
Makarov sounds like a pellet gun! LOL!
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2006, 10:13:13 PM »
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Makarov sounds like a pellet gun! LOL!


No I don't!

Makarov 9x18mm round power is between a .380 and 9mm Luger. It's a fun pistol to shoot and cheap ammo abounds. Corbon and Hornady makes some good JHP ammo for them.
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2006, 10:31:04 PM »
My arsenal Mak doesnt like HP. only time the thing ever jams. I just solve it by keeping the magazine ball, and the chamber with a HP.
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2006, 09:24:41 AM »
wow... it IS a pellet gun! Looks like I got lucky... the CZ-52's chuckin lead at about 1700 fps with a 525 ftlb whallop... that's up in carbine territory. Not surprising really.. the PPS43 and PPSH, M56 and some versions of the PPL light MG use the same round.



Damn, but the commies are a great source for cheap fun guns. ;)

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2006, 10:02:13 AM »
actually, with 90 or 95 grain bullets out of a cz 52 the velocity is more like 1450 1500 fps... the tokerev round has a rep for punching a very small hole and not doing much damage most of the time.

The Makarov round is accurate and cheap and about as effective as a 9mm but more controlable in a very small gun...

The makarov pistol is extremely well made and reliable... I have put 400 rounds through two of em without cleaning and no failures.  I would trust this gun.   It is far better choice than a .380 IMO.

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2006, 10:28:48 AM »
a .30 cal hole is not all that damn small a hole, as far as bullet holes go. And I'm not unhappy with it's ability to puch through a wall, table, car door or windshield or light body armor and still deliver a 'hole' in the intended target.

for under 200 bucks.

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This is NOT a 1911.. it's a cheapo commie side arm that turned out for me to be a bit better than I'd expected. If it's chuckin a slug at twice the speed and punch of a mak at the same or similar reliability and costs less.. well; that don't make the Mak a bad gun, just makes the CZ a better one if price and punch are two big factors in the decision process. ;)
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2006, 11:57:47 AM »
hang.... any gun is better than no gun.   I am extremely happy with the reliability of the makarov tho.  

once you get past that in a handgun I want a .357 or 45 or..... preferably.... a 44 mag.  

I have a cut down ruger redhawk in 44 mag that I am very comfortable with.

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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2006, 12:45:07 PM »
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Or it could be that 9x18 ain't much of an anti-personnel round. MV = 315 ME = 306

That's 315 meters per second, and 306 pounds is higher than I thought it would be.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2006, 01:01:31 PM »
Hangtime when you say 1700fps are you referring to chronographed velocity or specs you've read? Reason I ask is that from what I've read, there are different loadings for this cartridge depending on what weapon is being loaded for.

The submachine gun rounds are listed as about what you are saying, but several sources say they aren't a safe choice for the pistol. The pistol loadings are listed more like 1300-1400fps as lazs pointed out. That would make a significant difference in performance on target, eh?

Another thing I read about this pistol is that barrels are available for it to allow the use of different cartridges, most notably 9MMX19 and 9MMX23. That might be a good (relatively low cost) solution for continued use down the road if the standard ammo gets scarce.

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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2006, 01:03:51 PM »
Suave, you are correct on both counts I think.

From the Winchester Ballistics site:

9x18 Makarov

95 gr. Metric Calibers Full Metal Jacket

Handgun Ballistics

Distance (yds): Velocity /Energy

Muzzle: 1017 (fps) / 212 (ft.lbs.)

50: 925 (fps) / 180 (ft.lbs.)
 
Other manufacturer loadings are pretty similar.
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2006, 01:04:20 PM »
Oh also I recommend you Google a little about the decocker. There's lots of anecdotal stuff about these pistols discharging a round if the decocker is used on a loaded chamber.

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2006, 01:41:58 PM »
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Oh also I recommend you Google a little about the decocker. There's lots of anecdotal stuff about these pistols discharging a round if the decocker is used on a loaded chamber.


Yes, if you remove the firing pin safety, which is a common mod when you replace the original firing pin. It is possible for the decocker to fire the gun in rare occasions.

I've tested mine and the decocker will not fire a round. However, I just don't use the decocker. Never muched liked em anyway.

there was a thread over at http://www.gunboards.com a while back where a fellow tested some various surplus and commercial ammo. Most was in the 1500-1600 fps range. With some weaker rounds coming in around 1400 fps. Some reloaders claim upto 1800fps but I think thats probibly pushing ones luck.

They are cheap fun, one day when the supply dries up they won't be so cheap anymore. So, it best to enjoy em while one can.

Plus, they work great for fixing laptops :)

http://www.supload.com/vid/laptop/701139971/wmv/
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2006, 08:42:19 AM »
I never use decockers or safeties... just old school I guess...  most of the things are copies of the walther PPK design which will break and fire the gun.   Lots of accidents were really guys using the decocker.

Why bother with it?

For a really cheap handgun that is versitle in the extreme.... able to switch from .22 rimfire to .45 or 357 sig  and everything in between in about 10 seconds....

The tanfoglio witness.   About 300 bucks used.   double action semi auto ina large frame with double stack mags...  An exact copy of a cz 75.

 change the slide barrel and recoil spring pack and slam in the right caliber mag and voila... a new gun.

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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2006, 08:31:07 PM »
Any licenses required to own one of those?

Also..

-drool- at the mention of

H&K G3
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2006, 09:00:49 PM »
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Any licenses required to own one of those?


That would depend on your state/local laws.
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