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Offline mentalguy

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« on: March 05, 2006, 07:31:45 PM »
When did they start using AB on jets?


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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2006, 07:51:06 PM »
the first fuel leak ;)

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2006, 07:53:03 PM »
Operationally, I believe after the Korean War.  F-100 Super Sabre?
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2006, 07:53:49 PM »
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the first fuel leak ;)



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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2006, 11:12:08 PM »
and the first USA afterburner was developed at NACA 9before NASA) Langley in October 1943.  No, that's not a typo.

However, since the british were well ahead of us in jet propulsion into the 1950s, I would guess that they developed it first.  I just can't find any record of their achievment.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2006, 11:45:28 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A882272

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The contract for the development of an engine for the M.52 went to the Whittle Company, headed by Frank Whittle - the inventor of the jet engine. The resulting engine was given the designation W2/700 and was fitted with an afterburner2.


That was 1943 as well, I imagine it was probably only a few months earlier then the American afterburner.

Actually take that with a grain of salt, they say "Gloucester Meteor" instead of Gloster Meteor.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2006, 01:58:27 AM »
the british call it reheat, probably why you cant find anything on afterburners.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2006, 02:34:16 AM »
whats so special about an afturburner, its just pouring raw fuel into the turbine right? Seems it would be something that they had to deal with since the start of the jet engine.

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2006, 04:28:13 AM »
I think the fuel gets poured toward the end of the turbine. Otherwise the turbine will melt or something bad.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2006, 04:43:59 AM »
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I think the fuel gets poured toward the end of the turbine. Otherwise the turbine will melt or something bad.


gets dumped in the Exhaust directly through injectors, to burn up the remaining oxygen, is why you see the controllable nozzles either opening/closing at the tail section of the jet engine.......

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2006, 02:36:49 PM »
The GE J-79s in the F-4 had a mechanical striker in the exhaust section, just after the turbine, that sparked and lit the raw jp to be able to go into burner. Don't know if all afterburners are lit that way though.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2006, 04:32:25 PM »
Post Korean War (1950-53). The F-100 and MiG-17 both used it, but neither saw service in Korea. Hawker Hunter also did.

Mid 1950s for general usage on fighters.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2006, 05:39:21 PM »
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gets dumped in the Exhaust directly through injectors, to burn up the remaining oxygen, is why you see the controllable nozzles either opening/closing at the tail section of the jet engine.......

4 main parts to a jet engine:
Intake - Compressor - Turbine - Exhaust


The nozzles actually help to form something of a ramjet at the back end of the engine, after the turbine section. You've got alot of fast, already energetic gas that's being compressed and combusted again for even more energy, and thus thrust once it squirts out the back end and mixes with all the cold air outside.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2006, 05:53:47 PM »
From "How Stuff Works"

A jet engine, like a rocket engine, is a reaction engine. It works by throwing mass in one direction and taking advantage of the reaction in the opposite direction. In the case of a jet engine, the engine burns fuel (like kerosene) with air from the atmosphere. The burning fuel heats and expands the air, and this hot air shoots out of the exhaust-end of the engine to create thrust.
Most modern jet engines use a turbine to improve the efficiency of the engine and allow the engine to work at low speeds. One part of the turbine sucks in air and compresses it before the fuel is injected. The back portion of the turbine acts like a windmill, extracting energy from the exhaust gases and using the energy to spin the compressor portion. See How Jet Engines Work for details.

A modern turbine engine is extremely efficient, and there is still a lot of oxygen available in the exhaust stream. The idea behind an afterburner is to inject fuel directly into the exhaust stream and burn it using this remaining oxygen. This heats and expands the exhaust gases further, and can increase the thrust of a jet engine by 50% or more.

The big advantage of an afterburner is that you can significantly increase the thrust of the engine without adding much weight or complexity to the engine. An afterburner is nothing but a set of fuel injectors, a tube and flame holder that the fuel burns in, and an adjustable nozzle. A jet engine with an afterburner needs an adjustable nozzle so that it can work both with the afterburners on and off.

The disadvantage of an afterburner is that it uses a lot of fuel for the power it generates. Therefore most planes use afterburners sparingly. For example, a military jet would use its afterburners when taking off from the short runway on an aircraft carrier, or during a high-speed maneuver in a dogfight.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2006, 05:59:44 PM »
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Originally posted by mentalguy
When did they start using AB on jets?


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I haven't looked at Brit and Soviet designs, but afterburning engines in US jet aircraft were introduced in 1948. Planes such as the XF7U, XF-92 and XF-90 were all fitted with afterburning engines. Production aircraft included the F9F-6 and F-86D, both of which had prototypes flying in 1951.

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