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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »
they give diseases latin names for a reason:
anthracis or Bacillus anthracisto describe the spores so you never have to worry about whether its chum or svzdy..err whatever you said.  :)

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2001, 04:18:00 PM »
the article talks about anthrax by it's latin name as well, what am i supposed to see?

- the point is that anthrax may be called 'jumbojumbo' or something in namibia or 'heapum bad disease' by the native americans... that's why they give things latin names.

if two russians <hint hint> are arguing over what disease the americans are talking about - maybe someone <hint hint> would want to refer them to the latin name of the disease for clarity?

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2001, 05:10:00 AM »
Boroda, you're right. I was obviously quite confused  :)

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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2001, 12:23:00 PM »
Boroda; If the press/media in your country could concoct a story such as what you believe to be fake in Florida and get away with it then you should understand there is a vast difference in the way news is reported in our respective countries.

Certainly the various news reporting organizations in the US depend on public attention to stay in business. However, these organizations are not controlled by the US government and nothing would be bigger news than that a rival organization concocted a story of this magnitude.

So, your attitude is a bit revealing about the freedom of the press in your country. See my point?
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2001, 07:00:00 AM »
AKIron - a few years ago a "free press" over here concocted a story about CJD (which is a human form of mad cow desease) epidemic and that we all were going to die out like dinausors and all that malarky.

The whole thing was based on "many % increase in recorded cases" etc and all looked very real and scary. With percentages quoted in all papers the humanity's fate looked very grim indeed.

Problem was not that they "faked" the numbers. Oh no - they simply didn't report the whole thing or explained things properly. It would kill the whole issue outright.

That "epidemic" was based on 19 (nineteen, one nine) recorded cases in a year in a country with 60 million people. All "large percentage increases in recorded cases" were a few more cases recorded (some people believe just because more attention was drawn to a very otherwise obscure desease). Percentages are funny things - 2 out of 19 is a "10% rise" etc. You still have more chances to die being struck by lighting than ever to contract CJD.

So called "free" press is there for one purpose only - to make money by selling newspapers. It's not there for reporting "the truth".

Look at the current stuff: so many civilians died in some village in Afganistan from US bombs... Tsk-tsk... I don't think "taliban fighters" wear dog tags, there's no uniforms... Hmmm... Civilians my arse... But it sounds so tragic when you can write stuff like "stench of death in the air" and the like. It looks good in the headlines. It sells newspapers.

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2001, 09:17:00 AM »
AKIron, why did you make such a conclusion about my attitude to "free press"?

Looks like my personal information in the "From:" field makes everyone dig their memories for the stereotypes about bearded Russians wearing fur hats with red stars.
Generally I agree with what Lynx said. "Free press" means the press that isn't controlled by govermnent in Newspeak. But there is no press that is free from ideological or economical influence by certain groups of people and/or organisations that have their own interests. I'll not be surprised if one of such groups is interested in panic and fear of anthrax. Just to illustrate my point of view: it CAN be a group that is interested in large imports of anthrax-related medicines from Russia, that has probably the best experience in dealing with this desease (another opinion also made completely by media).

Sometimes I think that Soviet way of controlling media was sometimes extremely effective to avoid panic and organize people. You see - every system has it's pros and cons.  ;)

Lynx, there will ALWAYS be a hysteria about civilian casualities. Even if "allies" will completely avoid them - Talibs will do their best to show that there were innocent victims.

As for CJD - I thought it is a nonsence and another media scandal, especially because in USSR all cows were vaccinated against this desease. But later I talked to a doctor who described the symtoms: inability to make any decisions, loss of will, general laziness and stupidity. I simply looked around and suddenly it shook me that more then 50% of people I meet are already infected  :)

Some more thoughts about media: I am happy that in English it is called Anthrax, not Siberian sore. If it was - many people will immediatley think that it is an attack prepared by Evil Russians from Siberia  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2001, 09:24:00 AM »
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Originally posted by -lynx-:
So called "free" press is there for one purpose only - to make money by selling newspapers. It's not there for reporting "the truth".
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-lynx- I fully agree with your comment above. My point wasn't that the US media always presents the truth but that the competing news organizations would never let a lie of that sort go unexposed.

A society based on a competitive free market has many advantages over the socialistic. This is one of them.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2001, 10:42:00 AM »
Is it?

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2001, 03:57:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda:
Is it?

Can I assume by your question that you are asking whether a nongovernmental free press is better than a governmentally controlled press? If this is your question then I answer that it depends on whether or not you want to do your own thinking or trust someone else to do it for you.

If that isn’t what you were asking then please elaborate.
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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2001, 06:37:00 PM »
Last night, while watching TV, there was a loud bang at the front of the house.  Mrs. easymo  pointed out that it might be a giant anthrax spoor trying to brake in.  After a chuckle, I thought of you guys. :)