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« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2006, 01:53:44 AM »
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And we send 18 year olds to die for other countrys so whats your point.
Granted I think 12 is way too young for any kind of relationship other than the ones with there friends and family.
But the burden of proof is on the feds as we really have no idea what they are really doing.

Unless you have seen it with your own eyes you dont know squat.
They chose this life and with there parents concent it truly is none of anyones buisness cause ya know sometimes the world dont want to be saved.


I'm sorry... I didn't realize that where you go to school they teach 12 = 18.

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« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2006, 01:59:09 AM »
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' That place should make a hell of a fire.
screw the kiilaid, pass the burgers.

BTW it was flavorade :)

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« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2006, 08:26:35 AM »
If someone at that is living at that church is commiting a crime then get a warrant and have the sherriff go and arrest him.   No big deal...  

Don't send 600 ninjas before first light with military gear and SOG "advisors" to shoot the place into swiss cheese and then burn the place to the ground.

Hang... you are correct the vast majority would simply turn in some of their guns and some would even obey the letter of the law but...

Why hasn't government done this yet if that is the case?  because they respect the constitution and us as a people?  don't make me laugh... if they thought they could they would.   No, they realize that with 80 million or more gun owners in the country.... if even one percent of em went hard core...  that would be 800,000 ruby ridges... How would they get 600 ninjas for each of those 800,000 "criminals"?

plus... once the fighting started...  how many women and children murdered would it take before everyone else got tired of government arrogance and violence?   28?   100?  1000?  surely not 10,000?

Plus... the government knows that it would be lucky to get 30 million of the 300 million guns out there to be turned in...  the rest would be a sword dangling over their bed.

As mav says... what troops you gonna get to arrest their own friends and relatives?  Hell...  we ain't your-0-peeans here...

how effective would swat be if someone called in a threat and then RPG'd the black bread truck they drive?    Most of the rest would just turn in their uniforms.

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« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2006, 10:02:11 AM »
Laz, I really don't have a lot to lose. I've made my choice; should Uncle Sam go commie on my ass, I'll use 'em before I lose 'em.

I just don't see Dick and Jane American seeing this as 'their' fight. My America is already history, I'm living in Dick and Janes world now. Since Dick and Jane are pretty much pussified PC whimps and folks like you and me are being further marginalized every year, since I see the rights my forefathers beld for being tossed out to give Dick and Jane a bit more security, since I see the media fall even further under the control of the corportate spin machine...

Really, you think Americans like you and I stand a snowballs chance in hell of becoming anything more than a pitiful footnote in tomorrows history books?

I think we've probably already lost this fight... Americans won't fight for ideals anymore. We can't even stay focused on crooks in Washington and murderers in Pakistan. They went after the kids.. dumbed down the education system, turned it into a liberal playground and have effectively created a glorification program desigined to produce the dumbed down, hand out recipients they want.

I don't see any bright spots on the storm clouds on my horizon. It's coming. And when it gets here, we'll not be able to dick-all to stop it beyond offering token resistance outta the nursing homes.
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« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2006, 10:12:15 AM »
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I'm sorry... I didn't realize that where you go to school they teach 12 = 18.


Well let me know when kindergarden is out will you.
If you are too stupid to see that i was making a joke then i cant help you any further grasshopper:aok

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« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2006, 10:14:34 AM »
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Laz, I really don't have a lot to lose. I've made my choice; should Uncle Sam go commie on my ass, I'll use 'em before I lose 'em.

I just don't see Dick and Jane American seeing this as 'their' fight. My America is already history, I'm living in Dick and Janes world now. Since Dick and Jane are pretty much pussified PC whimps and folks like you and me are being further marginalized every year, since I see the rights my forefathers beld for being tossed out to give Dick and Jane a bit more security, since I see the media fall even further under the control of the corportate spin machine...

Really, you think Americans like you and I stand a snowballs chance in hell of becoming anything more than a pitiful footnote in tomorrows history books?

I think we've probably already lost this fight... Americans won't fight for ideals anymore. We can't even stay focused on crooks in Washington and murderers in Pakistan. They went after the kids.. dumbed down the education system, turned it into a liberal playground and have effectively created a glorification program desigined to produce the dumbed down, hand out recipients they want.

I don't see any bright spots on the storm clouds on my horizon. It's coming. And when it gets here, we'll not be able to dick-all to stop it beyond offering token resistance outta the nursing homes.


Dont bet on it hang.
I still have faith in the average American.

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« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2006, 10:16:14 AM »
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« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2006, 10:54:00 PM »
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I'm sorry... I didn't realize that where you go to school they teach 12 = 18.


Are you being deliberatly OBTUSE or do you just like to be irratating?

We have sent many 18 year olds into battles all over the world.  They have died fighting for other countries.

Where do you get 12 = 18?

Are you ignoring the facts that are all over the place for you to look up or what?
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« Reply #68 on: March 10, 2006, 10:59:27 PM »
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I don't see any bright spots on the storm clouds on my horizon. It's coming. And when it gets here, we'll not be able to dick-all to stop it beyond offering token resistance outta the nursing homes.


I'll give em a round for the geezers!
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Bis Bishland bis Bishland bis Bishland wird besiegt!

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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2006, 09:26:20 AM »
hang... yes... yes I do.   It would not take millions of Americans to make the big sacrafice.   It would take a tiny fraction of the people like yourself who have decided in their mind that they have nothing left to lose and living in dick and janes version of 1984 is too much.

Like I said..  swat bread trucks RPG's.... How many times will the government goon squads kill innocent people in their raids?   Most people will maybe not pick up an RPG but if they cheer on those who do....  Good enough.   How many fires in how many places can the government sent elite brainwashed troops to at one time?  they won't send one on one either.... they can't function that way anymore... they will need a 30 to one advantage every time... they are clumsy and they will kill other peoples pets and children.

They are trained to fire 4,000 rounds at the first shot... none of which are aimed in any way that you or I would recognize as aimed fire.

people won't like having their kids a block away being killed by federal fire or being evacuated and then having the whole block accidentaly burned down by the ninjas.

It takes time and money and coordination and resources to plan any raid these days and they can't go in like it is a war.   and... they allways make mistakes and... all the time they spend planning and executing and screwing up the thing is nothing compared to the time and  resources they have to use to explain why they did it and what went wrong...

Anyway... not saying it will happen... better the pendulum swings back the other way obviously but... the government is getting so heavy handed that allready.... this thread as an example... we are questioning what they will do before anything even happens.... we aren't blindly on their side this time like most were at Waco and Ruby ridge at first...  

At Waco and Ruby ridge probly 90% of us bought into how evil and dangerous those folks were.....  now... we know that they were pretty much harmless eccentrics who were commiting crimes that hurt no one, and/or could have been handled simply and without any one getting hurt.

I don't think anyone doesn't think the govenment had the greatest part in causing the problem.    see what I mean?   How many Waco's can the govenment survive?

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« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2006, 03:38:49 PM »
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Are you being deliberatly OBTUSE or do you just like to be irratating?

We have sent many 18 year olds into battles all over the world.  They have died fighting for other countries.

Where do you get 12 = 18?

Are you ignoring the facts that are all over the place for you to look up or what?


Are you deliberately being illiterate? Maybe you should read the quote I replied too (unless fartwinkle is your shadow account?)

Ohh, and fartwinkle don't ever get into standup comedy ;)

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« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2006, 08:14:51 AM »
Is the purse fight over?
Good.
Here is the 2nd part to this load of hog crap.
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Compound of Concern: Pt. 2

ELDORADO, TEXAS - They're afraid a polygamous church group will take over their town. Many people who live in Eldorado and Schleicher County are worried. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) has a huge compound just outside of town. The church's leader, Warren Jeffs, is wanted by Arizona authorities, who say he arranged for children to marry men.

Jeffs is known to have made racist remarks. Here's a tape of his teachings obtained by the Eldorado Success newspaper ... "You see, some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, or rude and filthy, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon humankind."

It's comments like that that have many in the town concerned.

Another reason they're worried is that they don't know who these people are or what they do. Some residents fear the members of this secretive polygamous church will blend in and become part of their community ... perhaps a leading part.

"We don't ever see them," resident Teresa Baker-Shirley said. "If they ever came into town, the majority of us wouldn't have a clue. They could walk up to us, and we wouldn't know who they were."

"The women stay, pretty much, at the compound," Michael Redwine, who lives near the FLDS compound, pointed out. "The men dress pretty much like the rest of us do. So, I wouldn't know them if I saw them."

Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran believes it's that fear of the unknown that has taken over Eldorado.

"Of course, everybody wants to compare it to Waco," he acknowledged. "Because that's the only thing that they can compare it to. Because it's a religious group living together."

"They're more the type of group that wants to keep a low profile. They want to remain under the radar. They do not want to make waves or cause problems."

Publisher Randy Mankin first reported the compound's existence nearly two years ago in Eldorado's small weekly newspaper. He says the community's attitudes haven't changed much since then.

"People are very suspicious, I think, still," he observed. "As in any community, there's many opinions. Some folks say, 'leave them alone ... they're not bothering me.' Others want to go in and kick the doors in, and drag them out and run them back to Utah."

Baker-Shirley knows why many want the group to get out.

"People are afraid that, one day, they'll infiltrate the politics, the courthouse, and the schools," she explained. "And, for people who have been here for generations, that is unnerving."

She believes some people are trying to leave town now, before the group rises to power.

"We don't want to be known for that," she said. "We're just a small, rural town. We're trying to raise our kids the best we can, and be successful."

Eldorado's population is shrinking. State roadsigns show the population used to be more than 2,000. The new signs being set up show the latest census at just 1,950. That declining population, residents worry, would make it easier for the fundamentalist Mormons to become the majority in Eldorado and Schleicher County.

"If they get enough registered voters, and take over the city government, it could be like Utah," Wilson suggested.

But the sheriff doesn't see that happening.

"What I do believe is, we'll see some of the higher church officials living out here, and maybe some more residential structures going up," he predicted. "But, I don't see the population getting up in the thousands."

Doran also doesn't think people need to worry about the group sending students into the county's schools.

"They have no plans to send their children to our schools," he pointed out. "They want to home-teach, and they understand that they have to get under a Texas home school curriculum to be in compliance."

But, on Main Street and at the tables of an Eldorado restaurant, people are still talking ... it's difficult for them to forget about their newest neighbors.

"It's monstrous ... it's huge," said Redwine, referring to the temple that is the center of the FLDS compound. "It pretty much sticks up as high as the water tower."

Redwine sees that new temple every time he steps out his back door.

"They're just like that neighbor that lives next door, that you don't like," he commented. "But, what can you do about it?"

Like so many other longtime residents of this small West Texas town, the FLDS and their compound are almost always in the back of his mind. He fears it will forever keep his quiet community in a spotlight they never wanted.

"Something bad will happen out there," he predicted. "I don't know what ... I don't know if it'll be like Waco or Ruby Ridge, but, someday, something bad is going to happen."

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints never gives media interviews. So, NewsWest 9 has been unable to get their side of the story.
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I wonder a couple of things about this story.
#1 I wonder who "pointed the way" to this story and how it was to be presented.
#2 I wonder if this guy has any idea what he said in this quote, in what context if he said it.
"Something bad will happen out there," he predicted. "I don't know what ... I don't know if it'll be like Waco or Ruby Ridge, but, someday, something bad is going to happen."
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« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2006, 08:34:35 AM »
Jackal.. that's downright freakin Waco... err whacked. The church leader sounds like a classic cult nutjob. The townspeople sound like... rural hicks.

A new time bomb in west texas. just a matter of time before that one goes up. or off.

Laz.. on the other topic; I suspect that thanks to media control any 'uprising' by gun owners would be played to the populace like 'domestic terrorists attack peace officers'. Just like Ruby Ridge and Waco.. the truth wouldn't be in play till well after we were in the ground.

If ever.
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« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2006, 09:12:33 AM »
hang... play it any way they want... let the media hump their leg..none of it would matter.   They can't expalin away daily attacks on government by hundreds of thousands of Americans... People will start to question just who is to blame... as the government cracks down on the citizens with more "security" it would just make more people question...  believe me..  the government is terrified that even a thousand normal citizens would do such a thing... they have no way to deal with it.

Govenment rules by our consent.  We outnumber them by a huge margin.   Whoever is ahead in the popularity poles is the one running things..  

It isn't just gun owners.. It is people who don't want their government to be their mommy... they just don't realize yet (some of em) that ya gotta be a gun owner to back it up...  

as for the article... "compouund"?   People fear them because they.... they what?  Made racist remarks?  look like us?  Might get into politics?   pretty funny really.... heck they even..... (gasp) HOME SCHOOL!!!  how can their kids get the normal daily requirement of indoctrinization if they don't go to government school?

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« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2006, 11:50:27 AM »
Just typical fear of the unknown by a bunch of inbreads.
Really simple here folks just leave them alone.

I guess its human nature to fear things you know nothing of remember how
they used to fear the black men in the south?

Same crap "those" people there dont pray the same way we do so they must be
kooks and perverts.

Get a grip west Texas and mind yer own buisness.