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Offline SFRT - Frenchy

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« on: March 10, 2006, 11:00:13 AM »
I thought that maybe I pluged those vaccum lines wrong when I put the carb back. Especially some of those lines seem to travel a long way around stuff:D

It's a 1973 Pontiac 455, california car, thus might have some extra emission stuff. Does that seems right? And what the heck is this iddle thingy connecting to the "Brake booster vacc line", and to the front of the carb (does it have to be pluged there?), and to the vacc advance on the distributor.



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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2006, 11:03:35 AM »
I think your "What is that" on the first pic is your fuel filter.

on second look maybe not.  in fact dont pay any attention to me :) .
I had this type of carburator on my 1969 Old Cutlass convertible but that was in 1979, I dont remember jack
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 11:05:44 AM »
No it's not. Only vaccum and electrical connect to it. The fuel filter is inside the big metal line that comes into the front of the carb fitted with a big bellybutton bolt.

Can this EGR valve be the reason why when I floor it, the engine sometimes choke and fuel cloud appears in my mirror? Maybe the valve is sticking putting too much "inert gasses" in the combustion chamber, and fuel don't get burned? Don't laugh, I'm not mechanically inclined :lol
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2006, 02:16:46 PM »
should have taken the pictures before you removed the old one
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 02:34:42 PM »
That is way more crap then the late 60s pontiac motors had, how would you feel about dumping all the smog crap in a box and running without it?

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2006, 06:09:50 PM »
Icemaw, I did actually, but the camera got send to Colombia. (sucks to have the same camera as your guest).

GTO, yeah no kidding, say thank you to uncle sam. I just bought a 400, that I'm going to put in ... eventually, and save this one. In 30, should be one of the few firebird with all the original emission crap.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2006, 06:17:52 PM »
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Can this EGR valve be the reason why when I floor it, the engine sometimes choke and fuel cloud appears in my mirror?  


Ha, no, that sounds like a typical rebuilt Quadra-bog! Thats why I went to Edelbrock when I had my 455 olds.

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2006, 06:39:47 PM »
Get a big Deamon Carb with mech choke, take off all that emisions crap and throw a nitros plate on there... progressive setup with a 100hp initial shot 1.5-2 second ramp up to 300 and you're good to go.

that fuel filter looks pretty bad too lol.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2006, 06:14:27 AM »
Your "what is that?" is a vacuum solenoid. The vacuum lines appear to be correct. Do you not have the emission hose routing diagram in the fan shroud or core support? It might also be on the air cleaner. If not, you can find it in a tune up manual such as Chilton or Motor.

Have you checked to make sure the vacuum advance is working and not leaking? Are the centrifugal advance weights working? Is the timing properly set? How about the brake booster? Does it leak vacuum?

Try setting your timing to about 12 degrees initial at 750 RPM with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged. You should have about 32-36 degrees total advance by 3000 RPM with the vacuum advance disconnected. Try disconnecting the line to the EGR valve and plugging it.

It sounds like the float level MAY be too high, and possibly the secondary air door may be opening too early.

In your THIRD picture, from the passenger side, there is an adjustment for the secondary air door. just above the words "to intake", there is a small screw facing out. Under it there is a small socket head set screw (takes an "Allen" wrench). Back off the set screw, back off the screw on the side counterclockwise until the secondary air door JUST opens, then turn the screw on the side clockwise until the air door JUST closes, then turn the screw no LESS than 3/4 turn further clockwise, and no MORE than 7/8 turn. HOLD the screw, and tighten the set screw.

Start the engine with the air cleaner off. The little gold link that runs from the choke pulloff (vacuum canister on the steel bracket on the passenger side front of the carb) should be almost at the FRONT of the slot in the tab on the side of the secondary air screw at idle. there should be LESS than 0.060" (1/16") clearance. If there is more, bend the link. I prefer 0.030" myself.

The float level you can't adjust without pulling the airhorn off the top. If you get REAL nervy, you can adjust it to 5/16". But you need manual to illustrate it. I set ALL Q-Jet floats to 5/16", after some 700-1000 of them I've never had a float level problem setting them at 5/16".

One other possibility is that the charcoal canister has gas in it, or is getting gas in it. Disconnect and plug the line to the charcoal canister, and try it.

Make sure the PCV valve is working properly. If you can pinch the vacuum hose to the PCV and change the idle speed noticeably, the valve is bad.

The idle mixture screws in the front on either side of the fuel inlet should be at around 3 1/2 turns. If you have to go more than a turn away from 3 1/2 in either direction on a stock engine, you have a problem.

If you intend to keep this thing and maintain it, I suggest you buy a copy of "Rochester Quadrajet" by Doug Roe. The reason is about 99% of people, "mechanics" included know nothing about a Q-Jet. That book is near gospel, and will rarely if ever steer you truly wrong.

Otherwise, drive the thing down to see Culero. He can fix it, if it can be fixed.


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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2006, 09:07:00 AM »
looks about right to me but I was never good with the 70's smog stuff..  Don't motors manuals have a vacumn diagram in em for those years?

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2006, 10:28:26 AM »
A gold mine of information, thank you. I bought a new complete DI, spark plugs, and EGR valve (had to listen to the good old "73? Son you ain't got an EGR valve in a 73":))

I do have a refurb brake booster too I already bought some time ago, put I have no idea how to put those in. I'll take care of that late.

Gone wrenching, and sweating, and covering my pretty fingers with grease and bruises. :cry I'll let u know... hum ... Where's that tow truck number again?
Dat jugs bro.

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