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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2001, 11:05:00 PM »
what does domestic racism have to do with our retalliation?

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2001, 12:46:00 AM »
Shire.. use caution. I happen to know that Mrfish knows more than a lil bit about racisim; and on an extemely personal level.

As for the rest, including the ACLU, just like any other time; whenever the majority gets its balls inna uproar over some dickheaded lil tribe of forigeners a noisy lil crowd of freedoms freeloaders gets together and makes ugly 'baby killer' posters and wails on and on ad-nasuem about it.

Seems to me we'd kill fewer tribes in the long run if we just rolled our sleeves up, and got the damn job done inna hurry, before the press gets into the act with "Day 117 of the Terrorist Crisis..."

My venerable ol Granpa said "It's always better to ask for forgiveness than it is to try and get permission."

And my DI usta say "Grab 'em by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow."

Not that it has anything to do with anything...  :)
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2001, 02:17:00 AM »
Hihihihi, just read that a lower court in the US ruled against the Freedom From Religion Foundation when they argued that "In God We Trust" was a religious statement, and therefore should not be sponsored by the state by putting it on money.

They lost, with the judge claiming that it is NOT a religious statement. Needless to say, the ruling has been appealed.

Now, in a bit more serious of a tone...ammo, ripsnort, sandman - everyone basically, what do YOU think about this? Do you believe it is possible to make a direct reference of faith in a deity and then claim that the statement is non religious?

I'd say that is possible -*if* that deity is clearly a construction of fantasy. An example: "Cthulhu: The God Of All Humans". It's clearly not a reference to some theistic belief system: rather a constructed mythos created for the entertainment/control/sense of control of humans.

Of course, I'd argue that all religions are just that, but that's beside the point.

If you're a Christian, and you say "God bless you" to me, I take this as a very positive comment: I read it as if you, by invoking your faith wish me well. "By God, I do not lie" to me would also mean that if you were to lie, it'd not only be to me, but more directly to your deity.

But, if "In God We Trust" is not a religious phrase, I gather those I just mentioned aren't.

Please, help me out here  :). Am confused on how the English language is used with regards to this all of a sudden.

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2001, 03:43:00 AM »
Thumbs down on the ACLU, those bunch of salamanders.  They've been up to no good for a long time now.  But I guess there has to be a standard of what's wrong in America, to know what's right.  Kinda the same way you have to feel like crap to know what good health is like, and to appreciate it.

Don't try to argue with this academic bunch, because they know what's good for us.  Just look at their record, and all the good they've done for America.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2001, 06:24:00 AM »
the ACLU is interested in two things:

$$$$$ and power

or is it

power and $$$$

no, no , its

$$$$ and power

nope, it could be ....

it sure as hell ain't any of my civil liberites ....
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2001, 08:09:00 AM »
The whole purpose of seperation of church & state was IMO to protect the people. At the time the constitution was written England had a state sanctioned, and state run church.

So that the same goverment that told them what they could & could not do could also tell them what they could or could not believe. Our founding fathers saw danger in this and took steps to deal with it.

Putting "In God we trust" on our money is NOT telling anyone what to believe, or what church or religion to believe in.

Nor is "God Bless America" imposing any religious belief on anyone.

(Goes WAY out on a limb here)
I'd go so far as to say one of the biggest problems with our legal system is that lawyers look at the wording & lanquage of the law while ignoreing its original INTENT!

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2001, 08:24:00 AM »
Ghosth,

It seems pretty obvious (to me) that the "God" in which "we" trust, is the God of Christians.  A bit of history:
 http://www.treas.gov/opc/opc0011.html

Doesn't this seem like the "establishment", or at least "endorsement", of a PARTICULAR religion by the government?  Isn't this what the framers of the Constitution wanted to avoid?

Would Christians be happy if the motto was changed to:  "Buddha is Our Buddy"?   ;)

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2001, 09:56:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Eagler:
the ACLU is interested in two things:

$$$$$ and power

or is it

power and $$$$

no, no , its

$$$$ and power

nope, it could be ....

it sure as hell ain't any of my civil liberites ....

Right... I can't recall the last time I saw someone on television asking for money for the ACLU.

Evangelists, by comparison, are a dime a dozen.
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2001, 10:05:00 AM »
This is what this all sounds like to me.

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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2001, 10:14:00 AM »
I think we've all got bigger things to worry about than this.  *points to terrorist types*  THOSE people are the enemy.  Let's deal with them first, then sort through whether "God Bless America" affects little Johnnie's ability to study in school.  

Besides, saying the Pledge or "God Bless America" is in no way saying "you WILL become a Christian" or endorsing Christianity as the national religion.  Heck, I say the Pledge, I sing along with America The Beautiful and I even sing God Bless America.  Guess what?  I'm not religious in the least bit;  I'm agnostic.  I'm definitely not endorsing Christianity, or any other religion.  Now if the school (or teachers in the school) start leading prayers involving the children, then you've got a real issue.
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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2001, 10:23:00 AM »
The ACLU is a necessary evil.  Of course, those that they don't really fight for will never understand that.  Many that they do fight for are grateful.

They are something of a conscience in America.  That's not saying that they are always right or just... its just saying that they make you consider actions a little more deeply than you would had they not been there.

I don't like them.  I understand the need for them.

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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »
Yah, if it is not such a big deal for you, why not change it to Buddha Is Our Buddy or Allah uakhbar?

I mean, it's nothing, right?

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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Yah, if it is not such a big deal for you, why not change it to Buddha Is Our Buddy or Allah uakhbar?

I mean, it's nothing, right?

lol yeah! 'i'm just mad about allah' would be my vote or maybe 'confusionism is con-fabulous'

seriously - religion is free so long as it's christian.

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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2001, 02:21:00 PM »
Displaying God Bless America, In God We Trust, or whatever statement everywhere is just as bad as Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your doorstep to give you a free hand out.

I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, leave me alone!!!
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2001, 02:29:00 PM »
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Displaying God Bless America, In God We Trust, or whatever statement everywhere is just as bad as Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your doorstep to give you a free hand out.

I didn't ask for it, I don't want it, leave me alone!!!
-SW

In that case, then please give me all your money, since this country was founded on Christianity, and the fact that "In God we Trust" in on every coin and dollar bill you have, then I feel it my duty to relieve you of such metal torrenting pain.  :D