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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2001, 03:10:00 PM »
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Originally posted by weazel:

So what's YOUR answer to the current problems we face as a nation?

Guess I worry bout it as my wife is admin at a corporation, one duty is handling the mail. I think the problem is worse than will be reported while those reported are played down to minimize/delay panic.

Wish I had an answer. If/when a connection to the terrorist country responsible, our response should be to flatten said country/government. I think the military is hoping for an Iraq or Iran connection to justify complete and final military action against those "evil doers". If a connection isn't found outright, I think one should be "found"...
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2001, 03:21:00 PM »
Guess I worry bout it as my wife is admin at a corporation, one duty is handling the mail.

I can sympathize with your concern, I hope nothing happens to her or any other US citizen in this regard.

I think the problem is worse than will be reported while those reported are played down to minimize/delay panic.

I agree, I'm sure theres a lot of info on the perpetrators that we're not privvy to.

Wish I had an answer. If/when a connection to the terrorist country responsible, our response should be to flatten said country/government. I think the military is hoping for an Iraq or Iran connection to justify complete and final military action against those "evil doers".

Again I agree.

If a connection isn't found outright, I think one should be "found"

Are you advocating an attack on any country we might *suspect* without hard evidence of their guilt?

Sorry, I have to disagree. If we fall into that pattern then we are guilty of the same mindset the terrorists have and play right into OBL hands.

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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2001, 04:36:00 PM »
It was one guy in a nation of what? 250 thousand.  I am sure far more than that died in auto accidents the same day.  Has anyone quit driving?   This chicken little routine is getting old fast.


For those of you who need to grow a pair.  There are helpful and eager drill instructors in both the Army, and The Marines waiting to assist you.

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2001, 05:13:00 PM »
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It was one guy in a nation of what? 250 thousand.  I am sure far more than that died in auto accidents the same day.  Has anyone quit driving?   This chicken little routine is getting old fast.


For those of you who need to grow a pair.  There are helpful and eager drill instructors in both the Army, and The Marines waiting to assist you.

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What are you talking about easymo?

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2001, 05:18:00 PM »
Easy is talking about the Anthrax cases.

There's been 1 death, 3 people infected and perhaps (and I do mean perhaps- highly doubtful) a few more people infected today who work for Senator Tom Daschle (Wash, DC)...

The other people have been reported as treated and fine.

He's trying to get across: Anthrax ain't scary. It isn't contagious either.

Smallpox- that's something to get worried about... Anthrax is just a poor man's bio-warfare weapon, especially the way it's being delivered right now.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2001, 05:51:00 PM »
No wait.  Its one guy in 250 MILLION people.  How astonishingly UNimportant can a news piece be.


When I was in that old war, there was an outbreak of the black plague.  I don't know how many guys we lost.  But there were a few.

  The Army gave us shots.  Showed us some very gross training films.  We had an order for vector control.(kinda fun. we got to shoot all the rats we saw). Then we forgot about it. No big deal.

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2001, 07:08:00 PM »
Bock! bock!  Grow some nuts you sissies, the USPS ain't shutitng down, and if you think you are exposed, take some AB from your medicience chest.  Jeez, Anthrax went out as a viable weapon in the fifties.

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2001, 07:33:00 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2001, 09:45:00 PM »
As far as terrorist attacks go, we've had uneducated toothless backwoods wonders do much better than a few scattered spores.

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2001, 01:20:00 AM »
yeah - i work for the dept of the interior and though i doubt we're much of a target - all gov't bldgs are a little finicky at present.

everything (in typical govt fashion even in the age of computers)must done in triplicate, tons of mail passes thru everyone's hands everyday. poor mail clerks - they werent making enough as it was!!!!!!!

edit- and oh yeah eagler, tell that girl to get some damned gloves on. don't even take chances.  :)

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2001, 06:19:00 AM »
So far, the Anthrax "attacks" have been minor disruptions into everyday American life. (Keeping the Senate from working? Hey, maybe they're on OUR side!    ;) )


<EDIT> This just in...


"Anthrax may be weapons-grade
10/17/2001
By Laura Parker, Kevin Johnson and Traci Watson, USA TODAY

 
WASHINGTON (AP) — The anthrax mailed to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's office was "very potent," Daschle said Tuesday, and bioterrorism experts think that it was prepared by sophisticated scientists who could have worked on weapons programs. Initial tests show that the letter contained a high concentration of fine-grained anthrax spores — the kind that increase the chances of it being inhaled. Inhalation can cause the most deadly type of anthrax."<END EDIT>


However, to say that anthrax isn't deadly or that it isn't a threat is incorrect, I think.

Right now, it's not a threat, simply for two reasons:

1) "they" haven't used enough of it

2) "they" either don't know how to deliver it correctly or haven't decided to do so as yet.

 http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/bw/agent.htm#b02

"A lethal dose of anthrax is considered to be 10,000 spores; 80 percent of a population that inhaled such a dose would die. Less than one millionth of a gram is invariably fatal within five days to a week after exposure. According to an estimate by the US Congress's Office of Technology Assessment, 100 kilograms of anthrax, released from a low-flying aircraft over a large city on a clear, calm night, could kill one to three million people."


Where would they get 200 kilos?


 http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/intel/961031/0408pgf_90.txt

22 October 1990

   IRAQ BIOLOGICAL WARFARE THREAT



"Iraq's biological and toxin weapons program is the most extensive in the Middle East. Large quantities of anthrax bacteria and
botulinum toxin have likely been produced. We believe that these agents have been weaponized and that biological and toxin
munitions already exist.  We further believe that deployment of BW munitions in significant numbers will take place by the end of this year, if not already implemented.

...Agents believed to be in inventory and weaponized by Iraq include Bacillus anthracis, or Anthrax, and botulinum toxin. In 1988 [   (b)(1) sec 1.3(a)(4)   ] reported that the Iraqis had already,
or were developing anthrax as a BW agent.

...Average concentrations of weaponized anthrax developed for the U.S. offensive BW program. which was disestablished in 1969, were sixty trillion anthrax spores or 8 billion human lethal doses per gallon.

The incubation period of anthrax introduced through the aerosol route is approximately one to three days. Treatment is ineffective
following the appearance of the first symptoms and 95 percent of those that have not been vaccinated or treated with antibiotics prior to presentation of symptoms will die.
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2001, 06:28:00 AM »
There is Anthrax..and there is Anthrax.

xBAT

P.S. Dont freak pep's and remind other pep's that if they're gonna try and use a BIO wep like this...Anthrax is one we can deal with very well. Its 50's 60's technology... the STUFF the USSR and USA developed latter though...hehe, kiss your bellybutton good bye.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2001, 11:07:00 AM »
so were all of these mailed out at the same time and we are just now discovering the contaminated areas now? How can you shrug it off not even knowing the level of which this attack occured? It could have been only a handful of letters to test the waters.

 Like I've said, it doesn't have to be deadly to be effective. All it has to do is terrorize, tying up our emergency response resources, disrupt things from the mail flow to the stock market.

Call me chicken little but this I fear is just the beginning of this branch of terrorization. It all adds up, they don't need a knock out blow, just body shots to keep us off balance & winded...
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2001, 12:34:00 PM »
"fear is the mind killer"
 

 "we have nothing to fear but fear itself"


 "Daddy...I went potty"


 xBAT
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2001, 12:54:00 PM »
That's just it Eagler, even as a body blow this is extremely weak unless we either...

1) freak out in mass panic based on 1 unfortunate death.

2) freak out and start taking citro when not needed, resulting in immunity to it should we ever actually need it.


As far as real damage, flu season will hit us much harder than this round of amatuer anthrax.