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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2006, 03:57:50 PM »
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I'm something of a carrier buff.. never heard of that one! I'm assuming they came over as 'cargo'.. even so, would be one heluva neat pic to have a shot of an Essex Class with a Starfighter on deck!

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/cv-list1.html



hehe yes... they came as deck cargo. From what i have heard they arrived at night and were unloaded quickly.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 03:59:04 PM »
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hehe yes... they came as deck cargo. From what i have heard they arrived at night and were unloaded quickly.


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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2006, 04:02:40 PM »
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you sure you are not getting confused with Cuba?


:D

I am sure.

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2006, 04:12:01 PM »
Id heard "stories" of the sharp wings...is this for real or embellishment?

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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2006, 04:15:51 PM »
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Id heard "stories" of the sharp wings...is this for real or embellishment?



yup. it had a really odd wing shape too, like a double edged razor.

i'll see if i can find a cross section of it:aok

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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2006, 04:19:01 PM »
from wikipedia:



"The wing design was radical. Most jet fighters of the period (and to this day) used a swept-wing or delta-wing planform. This allowed a reasonable balance between aerodynamic performance, lift, and internal space for fuel and equipment. Lockheed's tests, however, determined that the most efficient shape for high-speed, supersonic flight was a very small, straight, mid-mounted, trapezoidal wing. The wing was extremely thin, with a thickness-to-chord ratio of only 3.36%. Its aspect ratio was 2.45. The wing's leading edges were so thin (0.016 in / 0.41 mm) and so sharp that they presented a hazard to ground crews, and protective guards had to be installed during ground operations. The thinness of the wings meant that fuel tanks and landing gear had to be contained in the fuselage. Equally the motors to drive to the control surfaces had to be only one inch (25 mm) thick to fit."

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2006, 04:45:03 PM »
That's amazing, a little wing holding up all that weight

Thanks

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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2006, 06:35:26 PM »
These guys took off the wings and are going for the World Land Speed Record.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2006, 04:16:07 AM »
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These guys took off the wings and are going for the World Land Speed Record.


Why am I not surprised.


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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2006, 04:21:14 AM »
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These guys took off the wings and are going for the World Land Speed Record.

Ouch, it has a certain Darwin Award potential!

Hope it'll turn out ok.
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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2006, 04:34:49 AM »
They better not remove the ejection seat :D

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2006, 04:53:19 AM »
I think on some 104's the ejection seat fired downwards.
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2006, 05:00:30 AM »
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I think on some 104's the ejection seat fired downwards.


Prolly a good thing... the "car" will flip over :D

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2006, 05:58:31 AM »
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I think on some 104's the ejection seat fired downwards.


Nope, and thank goodness.  Canada used them as extremely low alt strike aircraft.

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2006, 06:16:23 AM »
Yup.

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In the early days of the XF-104 program, it was decided due to the limitations of the available ejection seat catapults, the ejection seat should fire downwards. This allowed for the best capability of clearing aircraft structure, including the vertical fin at higher speeds. It also effected the windblast on the pilot.


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