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Offline Seraphim

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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2006, 11:03:58 PM »
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Geez! Roped off? I'll have to take more pics of our M-21 (SR-71). You can walk all around it, touch it, and they have a cockpit mock up you can sit in.


They are roped off, but it doesnt matter, you can still go up to 'em and touch 'em. All of the aircraft at this particular museum you can touch.

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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2006, 12:52:14 AM »
The museum at Airbus Field sux

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2006, 02:05:44 AM »
We have one here in Nebraska, at the SAC museum between Lincoln and Omaha.  The thing is up on a pedestal in a diving pose as you walk in the main door 2-story lobby (which is all glass and glass roof).  You cannot touch it, but by looking at it you can see that it did degrade a bit when it sat outside at the old museum.

From what I know about the A-12 and SR-71s is these tidbits.

1.  Single seater is the A-12, designed as an interceptor for Russian super fast bombers.  Yes, they lauch missiles from a bomb bay.

2.  SR-71 name is a mistake made by the chief of the Air Force when giving a presentation to the President.  He goofed when he was supposed to say RS-71.  All recon planes ID's start with the letter R, but nobody is going to correct the head of the Air Force, or the President.

3.  The motor oil of engines is almost solid at room temperature.  They had a hell of a time figuring out how to get it to work.  I believe they got it working somehow, but it isn't pretty.  Electric heaters perhaps?

4.  The engine intake cones retract into the nacelles when going full speed.

5.  The plane does not handle bursting through the sound barrier that well (unstable).  They do it in a dive to get it over with as fast as possible.

6.  The engines are dual turbojets and ramjets.  The high speed flight is with just the ramjet part.

7.  Most of the thrust at high speed is actually suction from in front of the engines, not the exhaust comming out the back.

8.  V-8 or V-10 engines used in race cars are used to shaft start the turbojets on the ground (stick the shaft into the engine and spin it up...it doesn't have onboard starter motors).

9.  It does leak fuel on the ground, which is a different brand of fuel with a very high ignition temperature.  JP-12 I think.  Lockheed (Kelly Johnson in other words) never found a resonable sealant to use on the plane, so it never was sealed.

10.  The tools used to work on the plane have to be the same Titanium used to build the plane.  Early on the Chromium plating of regular tools was leaving residue behind that normally is not a problem.  At very high temperatures it reacts with the titanium, and the plane often loses rivets when their heads were popping off.

11.  SR-71s have flown over Russia many times, even though Gary Powers was shot down in the U-2.  The Russians didn't make it public because it was embarassing to admit they cannot stop them.

Most of that comes from Ben Rich's book "Skunkworks."  Ben Rich was the guy who took over the Lockheed Skunkworks after Kelly Johnson retired for health reasons.  Ben Rich did the Stealth F-117, which oddly Kelly Johnson didn't think would work.

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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2006, 03:02:14 AM »
Raider,

That white thing on the top of the NASA bird is (IIRC) a prototype hypersonic engine.  It won't even start below around mach 3 so the only way to get sustained burn tests without using an actual hypersonic-capable carrier vehicle is to bolt it to the top of an SR-71.  I think they were also trying to use ground launch sounding rockets but those have most of their burn time at too low of an altitude.  There have been at least 2 tests of that type of motor using winged subscale aircraft attached to the front of pegasus satellite boosters air-launched from B-52s, but the first attempt resulted in a failure.
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2006, 12:58:04 AM »
Actually that white triangle is not the hypersonic jet engine.

It is the Linear Areospike rocket engine prototype.  One thing about rocket engines is that the shape of the rocket nozzel bell has a big effect on efficiency.  Narrow rockets work well at low atltitudes, and large bells work well at high altitudes or space.   Rocket scientists have to choose a nozzel bell shape that is a compromise for the altitudes they want to fly at (ground level to 30,000 feet, then the second stage rocket has a different bell that is a compromise from 30,000 to space for example).

Then NASA tried to develope a single stage vehicle in the 1990s.  The X-33, and later the Venture Star.  They needed a rocket engine that would work at all altitudes efficiently, because SSTO designes only allow you to have 5% of the weight of the vehicle be everything it needs, and the other 95% be the fuel.  Efficiency is everything.  Thus they worked on the Linear Areospike, which does that.

But the 5% structure & equipment weight versus 95% fuel weight killed the idea of a Single Stage To Orbit vehicle.

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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2006, 01:00:55 AM »
I thought they mounted both those engines on the SR-71...  Guess I was wrong?
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2006, 01:13:07 AM »
Nope.  The Hypersonic engine was tested by mounting it to the front of a Pegasus booster rocket, which is launched from NASA's B-52.  It took two tries to test the prototype.  The Pegasus veered off course when it was released and was blown up on the first try.





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