all forms of welfare have got to go

[GWH]

Um, are we including corporate welfare in this discussion, too?

[leonid]

Personally, I think we should start a purge.  For starters, anyone registered as a Dumbocrat should be arrested, collected in work camps in North Dakota, and Nevada, then used as slave labor.  And, no, they don't get a health plan.  If they get sick while digging ditches on the plains in -40F weather - well - they die.  Tough.  Next, anybody who voted pro-Gay for any State/Federal issues, has been registered in an abortion clinic, or burned a United States of America Flag, should be shot outright.  We'll just send them to North Dakota or Nevada, shoot 'em all there, then let the Dumbocrat slaves bury them all.

God Bless America!!!
 

[leonid]

Seriously though, Zigrat, sorry your father is having a bad time of it.  Part of the problem is that wages need to be so high, because there isn't enough gov't. support for social welfare.  Thus, people need more money to make their own security, their own welfare.  $8-9/hour is not much for anyone with a family, house and/or car.  About the only people who will take this wage are young people who are in college, or just out.  I'm not saying your father needs to raise his wages, not at all.  But the only way people will take a wage that low is if they have support for health care, or housing, or retirement.  The USA is a poor example of social welfare, so it sounds like a no-win situation for your Dad.

[Zigrat]

i know leonid

its not that his business is doing poorly, far from it. he is doing great business now (he killed himself for no money in a bad locaation -- he moved his business 2 years ago and has been doig great now)
 
and i agree that 9 dollars is not alot. hell im 22 and i wouldnt work for him (well i work for free because he has raised me for free for 18 years) for 9 dollars an hour.

my uncle is the same way.. he owns a tile business and has more business than he can handle because he can't get competent help. there is business to be had for small businessmen in upstate new york, but noone to do the work. he is a millionaire several times over and got there by working his bellybutton off.. but he can't retire now because he ca't find anyone to replace him.

incidentally, my father and uncle etcera are all italian immigrants.. its seems these guys who came over in the 60s from italy were really hard workers, but i guess young people in america (including me) just don't wanna work like that anymore. most young people with any kind of work ethic get an education, unlike 40 years ago, so it is very difficult to find hard working but unskilled people.

[Zigrat]

btw leonid i think it would be great if the government made a scaling for of social assistance. instead of having a fixed income "cap" for assistance, make it gradually fade out. this might encourage people to work. as it is, tehreis no incentive to goign to work since just as much is made but not working as by working.

having money isn't an indication of standard of living either. my dad makes good money, but his 2 day a week employee certainly has a better standard. she goes every weekend she takes off to a camp she rents in teh adirondacks and camps out with her buddies getting drunk/playing card/ etcera. my dad has no time to spend his money, he has to work 12 hour days 7 days a week, after which he is so tired he just comes home, eats, watches an hour of tv and goes to bed. he can afford to hire people, but the people just aren't there to be found.

income isn't necessarily a good indication fo quality of life.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by leonid:
Personally, I think we should start a purge.  For starters, anyone registered as a Dumbocrat should be arrested, collected in work camps in North Dakota, and Nevada, then used as slave labor.  And, no, they don't get a health plan.  If they get sick while digging ditches on the plains in -40F weather - well - they die.  Tough.  Next, anybody who voted pro-Gay for any State/Federal issues, has been registered in an abortion clinic, or burned a United States of America Flag, should be shot outright.  We'll just send them to North Dakota or Nevada, shoot 'em all there, then let the Dumbocrat slaves bury them all.

God Bless America!!!
   

Finally!
Someone making some sense around here  

[zapkin]

yes imagine a country run only by conservatives.....Sieg Heil....Sieg Heil...

[batdog]

Thats crap... I'm conservative mostly but I hardly consider myself to be Nazi like. 99 percent of us are individuals who feel that as in the case of welfare some common sense needs to be applied. It simply doesnt take a rocket scienctist to see the open abusers of a system mired in beaucracy/red tape.

 If I fail to have some sort of sympathy for a single mom who has never held a job but yet continues to have childrean while ON welfare then so be it. These people are parasites on our society. They contibute nothing. When I see individuals who bettered themselfs though extream adversity often going hungrey,working 2 jobs or more etc and then I see some welfare abuser complaining about some simple job she has to do to recieve her welfare now...I get pissed. Like I said in an earlier post... if they want it, give it them but make it hell so they'll APPRECIATE a real job.

 xBAT

[Eagler]

Originally posted by zapkin:
yes imagine a country run only by conservatives.....Sieg Heil....Sieg Heil...

lol
someone's been brainwashed..
don't worry, you'll grow out of it  

[MrBill]

Originally posted by zapkin:
yes imagine a country run only by conservatives.....Sieg Heil....Sieg Heil...

Ummmm Maybe I do not remember correctly But was not Hitler's Party called
the National SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS?  

[straffo]

Originally posted by MrBill:


Ummmm Maybe I do not remember correctly But was not Hitler's Party called
the National SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS?  

you quoted it wrong : it was NATIONAL socialist party ... and in now way it was democracy..

[zapkin]

I consider myself moderate. I like big military spending, and I also like big social spending. My seig heil comment was meant as a joke and I am sorry if it offended any of you. I know each is entitled to his beliefs.

I am compassionate when it comes to the poor. I am not from a very well to do family and so I am able to relate to poor folks easier than I can relate to even the middle class. Welfare is a nice safety net. I have heard people say that middle class has no safety net..that is hog wash. Having a person who can co-sign your first loan, or help you buy a cheap car, or get you some extra groceries when things go bad is part of the middle class safety net. Most middle class folks have these things. Most poor people dont (unless you count begging the churches for help).

In any case, I do not believe that the poor are the root of all evil. In Ohio where I live, welfare is now temporary. 36 months is all you get. If you are able bodied you must work for your benefits. If you do not have day care they will help you with arrangements and cost. The idea is to get people self sufficient. In fact, you must sign what is called a self sufficiency contract here in Ohio. I think the welfare system is moving in the right direction.

Bashing the poor for their lack of motivation is counterproductive. If you want people to change, encourage them to do better and then reward them for their progress. No body likes being treated like a second class citizen...nobody!

If you are really worried about your tax dollars, check out the cost of a b-2 stealth bomber. Its unbelievable for a weapon system that is probably too valuable to ever risk using. Now that is a waste of tax payers money! Think of all the tomahawk cruise missiles you can have for a billion bucks...makes me get gooseflesh just thinking about it.

Anyway, I am for the poor. I am not against  them. The last thing that they need is the middle class (who clearly has MORE) despising them!

As for eagles comment about growing out of things. That is hilarious post on a BB devouted to a video game! LOL

I think we are all a bit "immature" when you consider the time (and money???) some of us put into a "video game". I don't really think anyone on this BB has much right declaring someone else immature...LOL...its a video game BB for crying out loud. LOL.

anyway...i just wanted to appologize to anyone that I may have offended.

Take care folks....even you poor people with no motivation.

 

[mietla]

there is nothing wrong with being poor. You have every right to be poor, but being wealthy is better  

[Nifty]

Originally posted by zapkin:
In any case, I do not believe that the poor are the root of all evil. In Ohio where I live, welfare is now temporary. 36 months is all you get. If you are able bodied you must work for your benefits. If you do not have day care they will help you with arrangements and cost. The idea is to get people self sufficient. In fact, you must sign what is called a self sufficiency contract here in Ohio. I think the welfare system is moving in the right direction.

sounds like Ohio is doing good things with their welfare system.  Jobless Assistance should be just that, assistance to get you self-sufficient again.  It shouldn't be a continuous thing.  I wholeheartedly agree that able bodied individuals should work for their benefits/assistance.

[zapkin]

People, pick up
    on what I'm puttin' down now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Down at every
    Laundromat in town now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

While they're washin'
    you can hear this sound now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Divorcee!

Hard to believe
    that love is free now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Out on the street
    with the whole family now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Hard to believe
    that love is free now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Divorcee!

People, pick up
    on what I'm puttin' down now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Down in every
    Laundromat in town now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

While they're washin'
    you can hear this sound now

                Welfare mothers
                make better lovers

Divorcee!