Author Topic: I would like the B-29 (Read 6456 times)

Lye-El · « **Reply #60 on:** March 22, 2006, 02:11:51 PM »

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Originally posted by TyrNM
Could even have an A-Bomb option for taking out a base and city with a single bomb

And the base hit would be uncapturable because the radiation kills any troops you drop on it.

TyrNM · « **Reply #61 on:** March 22, 2006, 02:14:52 PM »

Only for a specified period of time - fairly short so that using the A-bomb has it's drawbacks.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #62 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:24:01 PM »

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Originally posted by TyrNM
The following is from a previous B-29 discussion. Perhaps this can generate some constructive ideas.

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Okay, I'm a proponent for the B-29's inclusion. I even think there'd be a place for the 22,000 lb. Grand Slam bomb. All properly perked of course. Even I think the nuke idea, although neat in some respects, is not workable. It would have to be perked to satellite level. You've brought up some interesting limitations to make it work in the game, but you've overlooked a couple of things.

First, the non-bomber crowd would have kittens. All over the place. Not your friendly, fuzzy, cute type of kitten, but little primal balls of hells fury from the depths of …. you get the idea. There would be such uproar, we'd never here the end of it and I'm not prepared to say it wouldn't be justified.

Second, the bomber would rarely, if ever, make it to target. You'd have every fighter in the game after it to take it out on a priority basis. ”Lone B-29 at high altitude? Might be a nuke jockey. Let's get him." Additionally, the nuke carrying B-29 was largely defenseless. The ones that were fitted to carry the nuke had all their guns, but the tail guns, removed. So….easily spotted and easily shot down. There go your massive perk points.

TyrNM · « **Reply #63 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:36:50 PM »

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First, the non-bomber crowd would have kittens. All over the place. Not your friendly, fuzzy, cute type of kitten, but little primal balls of hells fury from the depths of …. you get the idea. There would be such uproar, we'd never here the end of it and I'm not prepared to say it wouldn't be justified.

Second, the bomber would rarely, if ever, make it to target. You'd have every fighter in the game after it to take it out on a priority basis. ”Lone B-29 at high altitude? Might be a nuke jockey. Let's get him." Additionally, the nuke carrying B-29 was largely defenseless. The ones that were fitted to carry the nuke had all their guns, but the tail guns, removed. So….easily spotted and easily shot down. There go your massive perk points.

Well...you wouldn't want it to be an easy thing to do, would you? The risks ought to be in proportion to the reward. Furthermore, it should be a rather rare event that somebody would even try it yet it ought to not be totally impossible to succeed either. I also don't think the bombs effect should be the "end of the world" and not pissoff the fighter jocks. Perhaps this discussion will help develop a working idea.

gear · « **Reply #64 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:42:57 PM »

Not to mention all your country men that are in the blast area flyiny or egadged in GV operations.If kill shooter is off thier dead meat,if it's on then you die and they loose ant targets they where fighting. So it's a lose/lose situation.either you die from kill shooter,or from your own blast,or the swarms of enemy fighters that are going to be on you like white on rice.
Or they would go on one way missions to pork all the ord on all your bases rendering all bomers usless(NO ORD=NO BOMBS= NO BOMBER MISSION).

ChopSaw · « **Reply #65 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:47:13 PM »

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Originally posted by TyrNM
Well...you wouldn't want it to be an easy thing to do, would you? The risks ought to be in proportion to the reward. Furthermore, it should be a rather rare event that somebody would even try it yet it ought to not be totally impossible to succeed either. I also don't think the bombs effect should be the "end of the world" and not pissoff the fighter jocks. Perhaps this discussion will help develop a working idea.

Only two were ever dropped and those ended the war. Look at the opposition to the B-29. There were thousands of them by wars end. Up to a thousand were used in one mission. Still the AH community of non-bombers vigorously oppose its inclusion into the game. How would you ever get them and HTC to accept a nuke? It's not going to happen. Right now the nuke idea is one reason they offer for not including the B-29, even though they know the nuke will never happen. It's used as a way of making it seem absurd to include the B-29.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #66 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:52:10 PM »

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Originally posted by gear
Not to mention all your country men that are in the blast area flyiny or egadged in GV operations.If kill shooter is off thier dead meat,if it's on then you die and they loose ant targets they where fighting. So it's a lose/lose situation.either you die from kill shooter,or from your own blast,or the swarms of enemy fighters that are going to be on you like white on rice.
Or they would go on one way missions to pork all the ord on all your bases rendering all bomers usless(NO ORD=NO BOMBS= NO BOMBER MISSION).

I've been told friendly's cannot be damaged by bombs. Is my information in error?

TyrNM · « **Reply #67 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:59:50 PM »

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Originally posted by gear
Not to mention all your country men that are in the blast area flyiny or egadged in GV operations.If kill shooter is off thier dead meat,if it's on then you die and they loose ant targets they where fighting. So it's a lose/lose situation.either you die from kill shooter,or from your own blast,or the swarms of enemy fighters that are going to be on you like white on rice.
Or they would go on one way missions to pork all the ord on all your bases rendering all bomers usless(NO ORD=NO BOMBS= NO BOMBER MISSION).

All valid points. How about offering a suggestion? Perhaps your entire country must approve of your attack. Not everyone would have to vote. Just a single Nah vote vetos your mission - even before you take off.

I'll admit it. The entire concept doesn't really work in the MA. Still....I wonder?

gear · « **Reply #68 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:00:12 PM »

Yes they can if kill shooter is off, they die.

If nukes where in the game the map would look like this.

the Lazy ace · « **Reply #69 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:44:48 PM »

cmon people do we really want this. if we get nukes we dont know how 2 drop em. Maj. Tibets was instructed that wen he dropen the bomb, he had to do it ona turnin dive so the blast wouldnt get him. and he was flyin at like 35 000ft. we dont have any experiance and whoes gonna teach us. sounds like a big waste of perks to me

Simaril · « **Reply #70 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:50:26 PM »

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cmon people do we really want this. if we get nukes we dont know how 2 drop em. Maj. Tibets was instructed that wen he dropen the bomb, he had to do it ona turnin dive so the blast wouldnt get him. and he was flyin at like 35 000ft. we dont have any experiance and whoes gonna teach us. sounds like a big waste of perks to me

ChopSaw · « **Reply #71 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:43:07 PM »

Turning off kill shooter is about as likely as HTC including a nuke in the game.

As far as suggestions go, I've already offered mine. Forget about it. We're not going to get it and it just derails requests for the B-29. Concentrate on getting the bomber. That's, at least, achievable.

gear · « **Reply #72 on:** March 22, 2006, 08:25:04 PM »

SuperDud · « **Reply #73 on:** March 22, 2006, 08:29:04 PM »

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ChopSaw · « **Reply #74 on:** March 22, 2006, 09:27:05 PM »

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