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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2006, 09:12:31 PM »
It's always easier for the guys with money to talk.

We're taking it in the shorts. Cut and friggin dried. Oil execs and companies getting rich off the people that HAVE to drive to work.

Holler about SUV this and SUV that and all that B.C.. Bottom line is oil business is getting filthy frikin rich off the normal consumer.

SOME PEOPLE don't have money to invest. They work and get by as best they can. They don't drive BMW's or the big EXPEDITIONS or ESCALADES and dine out at 30.00 a person restaurants.

The NORMAL everyday American person is getting screwed. So take all that investment bullchit talk and cram it.

Politicans , Oil execs , and the like will just keep screwin us. NOW and ALWAYS.
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2006, 09:22:53 PM »
^^ what he said
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2006, 11:58:05 PM »
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It's always easier for the guys with money to talk.

We're taking it in the shorts. Cut and friggin dried. Oil execs and companies getting rich off the people that HAVE to drive to work.

Holler about SUV this and SUV that and all that B.C.. Bottom line is oil business is getting filthy frikin rich off the normal consumer.

SOME PEOPLE don't have money to invest. They work and get by as best they can. They don't drive BMW's or the big EXPEDITIONS or ESCALADES and dine out at 30.00 a person restaurants.

The NORMAL everyday American person is getting screwed. So take all that investment bullchit talk and cram it.

Politicans , Oil execs , and the like will just keep screwin us. NOW and ALWAYS.

umm- I took home (before taxes) 15.5 k last year. No that is not a mistype.
you need very little money to invest, but you need to make  that commitment.
 O , and 10 % profit margin is not  that much. If your gonna ***** about the Oil company profits, ya might as well ***** about McDonalds profit margin
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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2006, 03:45:34 AM »
What good is being rich if you don't brag about it?

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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2006, 04:56:32 AM »
I started out with nothing.  My parents started out with nothing.  My grandparents started out with less than nothing, coming from a farm that went bankrupt.

Don't give me that whiny crap about how "it's easy for people with money to talk"...  A lot of "people with money", like my entire family, started with zip, zero, nada.  Nothing.  Everything they got they got by carefully saving everything they could, shopping bargains and sales exclusively, and not being mindless consumers, spending every dime they got on luxuries.  They saved what they didn't spend, and carefully worked their way up from nothing.

My Dad started as a seasonal roofer and bottom of the pay scale assistant bottle washer at dupont.  Then he made the big career decision to become a cop...  Not exactly a luxury salary there.  4 kids and a cop salary, no big gifts from their parents or anything, but they refused to buy into the consumerism and saved instead.  They paid into their first house ahead of schedule, and when they had a third kid they were able to remortgage the first house to make the down payment for the new larger house in a nicer neighborhood.  When they had the 4th kid and needed a bigger house, they sold the first two to come up with the down payment on the new big house, also in a nice neighborhood.  All of our neighbors drove mercedes and lexuses, and my Dad drove a 14 year old beat up pickup truck while my Mom drove a used hotel shuttle station wagon...  Still could read "hilton" on the side where they took the stickers off.  We ate spaghetti or some other ground beef meal 15 days a month, ate chicken of some sort for the other 15, because the supermarket had a ground beef sale and a chicken sale every month so they stocked a large deep freezer with sale items once a month.

My Mom made me shirts from bargain bin cloth until 6th grade.

By age 10, I started noticing my Dad browsing through money magazine and "mutual fund investor" magazine.  I'd overhear him talking about his schwab account with my Mom.  We were still eating sale food, but they had a schwab investment account.  They finally bought a new car...  With CASH, after they had saved enough to buy it without a loan.  That decision alone, buying a $6,000 new car for cash instead of a loan, saved them over $2000 in interest charges.

Yea our TV was a used TV the neighbors were going to throw away when they got their big new sony, but it cost $40, not $400.  $360 more into savings.

Don't cry and whine about how it's easy for people with money to talk about this stuff...  People like me and my family started with less than EVERY ONE HERE and now we're all fairly comfortable.  Heck, my older brother had 5 kids and is living on that same cop salary, and he owns a 3500 sq ft home and has no major debt but the house.  How does he do it?  He doesn't waste his money on consumer junk.  He invests his income where it matters.  If his kids need soccer shoes, he invests in new soccer shoes (the $40 ones, not the $200 nike air ones).  But every single dollar he spends is an investment in his family and their future.

So quit whining about how hard it is, and take a long hard look at what you consider "essential" expenses.  Got cable?  Heh.  Shaddup whiner.  Ditch the cable and save the money.  Got a shiny new computer?  Heh, shaddup whiner.  Nurse along your old computer and save the money.  Eating out all the time?  Heh, shaddup whiner.  Buy some cheap chicken, rice, and veggies and eat healthier for 1/5th the cost, and save the difference.  That's how I got my money, how everyone in my family got their money...

Oh yea, we didn't whine about not having money...  We just worked and saved.
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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2006, 06:04:37 AM »
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umm- I took home (before taxes) 15.5 k last year. No that is not a mistype.
you need very little money to invest, but you need to make  that commitment.
 O , and 10 % profit margin is not  that much. If your gonna ***** about the Oil company profits, ya might as well ***** about McDonalds profit margin


the difference being that one can make it easliy without ever going to a McD's, the same can't be said about a gas station

my guess is that you didn't invest much or if you did, you either live with your parents or an apartment full of room mates ..
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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2006, 06:07:44 AM »
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What good is being rich if you don't brag about it?


lol

that is what is sounds like here... seem some like getting bent over at the pumps .. and then brag about it  :)
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« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2006, 08:54:48 AM »
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I started out with nothing.  My parents started out with nothing.  My grandparents started out with less than nothing, coming from a farm that went bankrupt.

So quit whining about how hard it is, and take a long hard look at what you consider "essential" expenses.  Got cable?  Heh.  Shaddup whiner.  Ditch the cable and save the money.  Got a shiny new computer?  Heh, shaddup whiner.  Nurse along your old computer and save the money.  Eating out all the time?  Heh, shaddup whiner.  Buy some cheap chicken, rice, and veggies and eat healthier for 1/5th the cost, and save the difference.  That's how I got my money, how everyone in my family got their money...

Oh yea, we didn't whine about not having money...  We just worked and saved.


And you STILL Havent explained to the laymen how to go about getting started.

You some kinda broker afraid you might loose out on a commission?

Insead of calling people names and scolding them. Why dont you try to be of some help?

I started out with almost nothing. Electric was turned off and the only food I had to eat in a 4 day period was a can of canned potatoes that I had to eat cold cause the stove I had was electric.
Ever eat cold Canned potatoes? Tastes like crap lemme tell ya.
I was a single step and about a week away from being homeless
Cant get much more from "nothing" then that
I eventually was able to land a job drying cars at a carwash drying cars with a bunch of immigrants (Half illegal)

And I worked and built my life up from there.
Since then I've both prospered and suffered. but never again gotten so low as that point in my life.
I'ts still sometimes a struggle to make ends meet but Im reasonably comfortable a good deal of the time now And occasionally have a few extra pennies to rub together that I (and Im sure a few others) would like to find something to invest in. The problem is we dont know how.

I've got a Vanguard fund already so thats covered.
Im sure a few other people might be in the situation.
But would like to try to do a little something beyond that.
Again. the problem is we dont, know how.


As for the extras. Cable, computer etc.
Remember. For some people here that may be the only source of simple pleasure they can afford.
The price of 1 person going out to dinner 1 night can buy you basic cable, or internet access for the whole month.

People need some sort of outlet too. just to feel like they are alive and not just existing

You say you came from nothing and you did it. And thats great. You deserve to feel proud about that fact. You earned it.

So why dont you help some of the other people who dont know how to get started, get started as opposed to scolding them for not doing so.
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2006, 09:02:51 AM »
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Don't invest in "stocks" if your just starting out, invest in a "fund".
Fund's will diversify your investment into more then one "stock", which will reduce  your risk.
 Always reinvest any dividends, as this is what really adds up after time.
  You would very suprised to find out how little it takes to get started.


yep,

500 bucks and 7 dollars for the first trade will get you in Scott Trade.

ETF's are good to get started on.  for example EWJ is the ticker for Japan. Its $14.40 right now, up a dollar so far this year.


its easy
« Last Edit: April 13, 2006, 09:07:24 AM by Krusher »

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2006, 04:31:26 PM »
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I started out with nothing.  My parents started out with nothing.  My grandparents started out with less than nothing, coming from a farm that went bankrupt.

Don't give me that whiny crap about how "it's easy for people with money to talk"...  A lot of "people with money", like my entire family, started with zip, zero, nada.  Nothing.  Everything they got they got by carefully saving everything they could, shopping bargains and sales exclusively, and not being mindless consumers, spending every dime they got on luxuries.  They saved what they didn't spend, and carefully worked their way up from nothing.

My Dad started as a seasonal roofer and bottom of the pay scale assistant bottle washer at dupont.  Then he made the big career decision to become a cop...  Not exactly a luxury salary there.  4 kids and a cop salary, no big gifts from their parents or anything, but they refused to buy into the consumerism and saved instead.  They paid into their first house ahead of schedule, and when they had a third kid they were able to remortgage the first house to make the down payment for the new larger house in a nicer neighborhood.  When they had the 4th kid and needed a bigger house, they sold the first two to come up with the down payment on the new big house, also in a nice neighborhood.  All of our neighbors drove mercedes and lexuses, and my Dad drove a 14 year old beat up pickup truck while my Mom drove a used hotel shuttle station wagon...  Still could read "hilton" on the side where they took the stickers off.  We ate spaghetti or some other ground beef meal 15 days a month, ate chicken of some sort for the other 15, because the supermarket had a ground beef sale and a chicken sale every month so they stocked a large deep freezer with sale items once a month.

My Mom made me shirts from bargain bin cloth until 6th grade.

By age 10, I started noticing my Dad browsing through money magazine and "mutual fund investor" magazine.  I'd overhear him talking about his schwab account with my Mom.  We were still eating sale food, but they had a schwab investment account.  They finally bought a new car...  With CASH, after they had saved enough to buy it without a loan.  That decision alone, buying a $6,000 new car for cash instead of a loan, saved them over $2000 in interest charges.

Yea our TV was a used TV the neighbors were going to throw away when they got their big new sony, but it cost $40, not $400.  $360 more into savings.

Don't cry and whine about how it's easy for people with money to talk about this stuff...  People like me and my family started with less than EVERY ONE HERE and now we're all fairly comfortable.  Heck, my older brother had 5 kids and is living on that same cop salary, and he owns a 3500 sq ft home and has no major debt but the house.  How does he do it?  He doesn't waste his money on consumer junk.  He invests his income where it matters.  If his kids need soccer shoes, he invests in new soccer shoes (the $40 ones, not the $200 nike air ones).  But every single dollar he spends is an investment in his family and their future.

So quit whining about how hard it is, and take a long hard look at what you consider "essential" expenses.  Got cable?  Heh.  Shaddup whiner.  Ditch the cable and save the money.  Got a shiny new computer?  Heh, shaddup whiner.  Nurse along your old computer and save the money.  Eating out all the time?  Heh, shaddup whiner.  Buy some cheap chicken, rice, and veggies and eat healthier for 1/5th the cost, and save the difference.  That's how I got my money, how everyone in my family got their money...

Oh yea, we didn't whine about not having money...  We just worked and saved.


So what are you looking for? A pat on the back? Investing aint helping the normal everyday joe at the pump. We're getting screwed. You may think not , but I DO. And I am not whining. I hear this type of stuff all the time from people with money. I have enough money.

I have a nice retirment in the job I work. My wife has a nice rertirment when she quits. I have 0 ,thats right , 0 debt outside of my house and 2 cars. NO credit cards. No extra loans. Everything my wife and I have in our home is paid for. We have a few 1000 dollars in the bank. We have a 401k we put money into.

I have been at a time in my life when I couldn't afford a gallon of milk for my family. Tough times? I been there and done that. I worked my butt off just like you and your family did. I supplied a home for my family when they needed it at times. I supplied a home for my mother when she was sick and dieing from cancer. I supplied all that I could and then some for along time.

So to think I am whining is a HUGE stretch.

Bottom line is , I don't like taking it in the shorts for nothing. I don't like seeing people I know begin to wonder how they will make ends meet when thier gas budget for going to work is taking a HUGE hit.

They try just as hard as anyone else to get ahead. The sacrifice just like you did. Just like I did. Don't sit there and pretend you know my circumstance at all. Cause you know nothing about me.

Gas companies are making record profits. The people , who try hard and work hard and try to do the right things are still paying 2-3 dollars a gallon for gas.

Government aint gonna try to help cause they have an interest in them making money. Oil companies spin numbers all they want to make it look like they dont have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. Its Bull CRAP and the american people have to smell it.

So spare me the whinning comments about how we should all jump in the market and take a chance. Spare me the I walked up hill to school barfooted and struggled my whole life routine. Your not the only one. Many have done it long before you and many will do it after you. And ME for that matter.

If you don't see us getting screwed in the gas prices , cause YOU can afford to pay whatever...then so be it. I see it different.
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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2006, 04:47:56 PM »
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umm- I took home (before taxes) 15.5 k last year. No that is not a mistype.
you need very little money to invest, but you need to make  that commitment.
 O , and 10 % profit margin is not  that much. If your gonna ***** about the Oil company profits, ya might as well ***** about McDonalds profit margin


It's my RIGHT to gripe about whatever I want. This thread was about gas prices. Not a seminar on Investing 101 or how I got rich on nothing. I don't give a crap about how people make thier money.

I DO care about friends and folks getting hammered at the pumps. What is so hard about that?

you took 15K home? GREAT for you. You make 500.00 or 50000.00 in the stock marlet last year? Good for you.

Ya paying 2-3 dollars a gallon for gas? You think that exxon mobile made it to the top of the fortune 500 list , just recently from what i read , and think we aren't taking it in the shorts?

Mcdonalds chrging me 6.00 for a crappy burger fries and a coke don't mean NEAR as much as paying out the butt for gas. I can eat bologna sandwiches and survive. My car on the other hand WONT.
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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2006, 05:04:11 PM »
Well said redtop, I don't know where in Texas you live but its up to 2.68 here, and some places even higher than that. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the eratic jumping around of prices, its the same here.

One day it will be high, the next day it will drop down to 2.30 To me it's sad when you get excited by a price of 2.30 a gallon.

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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2006, 05:25:32 PM »
let's see...  supply is limited...  demand continues to rise...  where's that econ 101 book?
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2006, 05:28:49 PM »
NZ is finally going to setup a biodiesel plant with these prices.

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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2006, 05:41:46 PM »
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let's see...  supply is limited...  demand continues to rise...  where's that econ 101 book?


Supply limited?
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