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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2006, 07:11:46 AM »
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Because we stopped being medieval few hundred years ago.
Don't you see any similarities between the middle east and europe over couple of hundred years ago? I can find too many similarities.
Their culture has NOT progressed.


Actually in some aspects, I can probably respect the culture of Europe a few hundred years ago more then our current one.

Hell, I can respect alot of aspects of our culture 50 years ago more then I can our current one.

In some ways our culture has not progressed bit Digressed.

But really thats not even the point.
The point is its "their" culture whether we agree with it or not,like it or not.
They dont particularly agree or like ours either.

And we have a way of screwing up a people whenever we try to  impose our culture's and ideals on peoples and make them more "modern".

The Americon Indian and Africans are two peoples who immediately come to mind. Both of which had been doing fine for thousands of years without our help....Untill we decided to hel them
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2006, 08:09:27 AM »
Yep stringer.... just the other day the church down the street was talking about a good witch burning.   Not like the old days tho...

beet... of course we can't apply our standards to other cultures.... this seems odd for a brit to bring up tho..... given your history and all..

It does seem odd that we can call murder because of religious belief a "cultural" thing tho...  I would say that probly not every person in that culture would agree that it is a good idea.  

If I felt that every muslim saw this as a rightious killing then it would  seem that I would be within my "cultural" rights to exterminate every single one of the vermin would it not?

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2006, 10:00:21 AM »
the infidels (muslims) need to respect the western culture.


i really get tired of the nancy boys telling me i have to respect other cultures when they do not respect mine.

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2006, 10:29:09 AM »
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You expect anyone to respect your culture with that attitude......?
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2006, 10:59:42 AM »
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John 9001
You expect anyone to respect your culture with that attitude......?


i said respect my culture not my attitude.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2006, 11:04:12 AM »
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You expect anyone to respect your culture with that attitude......?


Apparently, he's using the same respect system the Islamics are currently using.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2006, 11:28:29 AM »
Well the muslims i see....and work with (on a usaf contract by the way ) do respect other religions and cultures.....god knows they work with enough of em....westerners ...indians sri lankans   bangladeshies....Pakistani's
And in 4 n a bit years of being in the middle east ...(Oman and Bahrain) i have never heard a muslim slag of the western culture or religions..
You people are tarring a whole religion...be it arab or western because of a minority of nutjobs ....now try tell me there arent any notjobs of religious followings in the west.......You be a telling porky pies (lies)!!!
Tell me why should they respect your culture ...religion or what ever when your attitude is do what i say or else!
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2006, 11:47:28 AM »
where did i say"do what i say or else!" i expect the same respect for my culture as they demand for theirs.


i think you have gone native.

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2006, 12:03:32 PM »
i see..because i dont support your views... therefore ive gone native.....
hehe that wont happen ....like a bacon butty and a beer too much
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2006, 12:04:00 PM »
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Well the muslims i see....and work with (on a usaf contract by the way ) do respect other religions and cultures.....!

.....Tell me why should they respect your culture ...religion or what ever when your attitude is do what i say or else!


"Afghan man faces death for abandoning Islam"

I saw this headline too:  "Prosecutors, judge, family insist convert should die".

Nice for the judge to give him a "fair trial" before it even starts don't you think?


You're right and I'm wrong.

The fact that this issue is coming to a prominent national trial, with the death penalty hanging over the man's head, shows clearly that I am mistaken and that Muslims are extremely tolerant.
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2006, 12:26:06 PM »
Sharia Law, the binding legal and ethical component of Islam derived from the Quran and Hadiths mandates that those who apostatize from Islam be put to death. In Islamic countries that base their civil laws on Sharia, such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, this punishment is routinely carried out by the civil magistrate. However, in most Islamic countries it is far more common for the relatives of the apostates to carry out the killing themselves as a point of honor.

For instance, some friends of mine from Philadephia have been serving as Christian Missionaries in an Islamic country [forgive me for being purposely vague here, but I don't want to expose them] where conversion is illegal. As a result, while they have many Muslims attending their bible study, most of them balk at the point of baptism and none of them are willing to discuss their faith openly. A couple of years ago, one young woman was convicted that she should make an open profession of her faith and be baptized. When she told her parents of her decision, her family threatened that they would kill her if she went through with it. She decided to be baptized anyway, and that week her own father and brother slit her throat and left her in the gutter to die. The father was taken into police custody, but was not charged with a crime and was later released. In the eyes of the community what he did was quite justifiable and indeed necessary.

On the other hand, Muslims are delighted to be able to actively promote their religion in the West and to actively seek converts, while they deny the right to convert, evangelize or even build non-Islamic houses of worship in their own countries, nations like Saudi Arabia are pouring billions of Petrodollars into the promotion of Wahabbi Islam worldwide. The largest Islamic Study center in the world, for instance, was recently built in Fairfax, VA (near Washington D.C.) with Saudi funds.

Gentlemen, I know you are doggedly committed to the postmodern concept of cultural relativism, but the fact is some ideologies and worldviews are better and some are worse than others. For instance, in fighting the Second World War, the West took it for granted that Representative Democracy was superior to Fascism, that freedom was superior to oppression, and that man was endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights regardless of where he was born.

I would put it to you that some of the obvious consequences of that idea are that men have a right to Convert, a right to worship freely as their conscience directs, that women have a right to be educated, a right not to go about veiled from head to toe and a right not to be stoned to death if they venture outside their homes without their nearest male relatives.

All of those rights are denied by Sharia law, therefore either we accept that we are at war with Sharia as an ideology (just as we were at war with other totalitarian ideologies from 1939-1945 and from 1946-1991) or we will fail to promote any permanent change abroad, and gradually be overtaken by that ideology at home. As Edmund Burke wrote and Churchill repeated, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2006, 12:31:25 PM »
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who can step back and see the big picture as Drediock has. ^  I'm not worried about the expense - I believe it will happen so rarely that I can well afford it! :lol  Does the Koran stipulate that non-muslims must be killed? When the Koran was written, were its authors aware of any other faith such as Christianity?


Right & wrong have always depended on the predominate culture of the geographical location. However, if you think it's okay to execute somebody for changing religions, because that's their culture, then you've entered the realm of moral relativism. This is inherrently a flawed concept in that anything becomes justifiable.

I'll give you a good example of why this is bad.. you wen't to the UAE recently iirc? I have a friend that can't go there anymore. A business associate of ours (A Somalian, not a UAE citizen), filed completely false claims that my friend had robbed him. They weren't even in the UAE at the same time, ever. Now, if my friend goes back, he'll be arrested and held until they can bring back this associate to testify against him. You never see a judge, and you'll only see your lawyer again if he wins your case. Due process is a completely alien idea here.

Is that "right"? Arrest without due process is most definately not an absolute moral behavior. Moral relativism can justify it by simply saying, oops, somebody has a complaint, so he must be a criminal. However, it's their culture, so that means we should accept it? I disagree. To quote, ironically, a mobster, "What's right is right,".

I think that's the viewpoint you're missing when you dismiss all these 1 liner posts that point out Islamic theocracies tend to be in the dark ages.

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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2006, 12:41:12 PM »
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And in 4 n a bit years of being in the middle east ...(Oman and Bahrain) i have never heard a muslim slag of the western culture or religions..
You people are tarring a whole religion...be it arab or western because of a minority of nutjobs ....now try tell me there arent any notjobs of religious followings in the west.......You be a telling porky pies (lies)!!!
Tell me why should they respect your culture ...religion or what ever when your attitude is do what i say or else!
Hey expat! -couldn't help noticing the rhyming slang - are you a fellow Limey then? Within a mile of where I live, the Sultan of Oman has a large residence on top of a hill. I know people who have worked for him, and he was well liked and greatly respected. c1990, when Britain was languishing under the Poll Tax, the Sultan insisted on paying the poll tax on behalf of all his employees! I can see why he was well liked.

As for the Middle East - there might have been a time when I tarred all Arabs with the same brush. That changed after my first visit to the Middle East earlier this month.

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2006, 02:40:50 PM »
Yes, contrary to the public assumption, more than a few Arabs are real party animals.  I used to hang with Sheikh G'raabr Boubi down on south beach.  Very fun guy, but you had to walk around behind him apologising to everybody.  I carried his cash for him.  If the Sheikh pissed off a dude in bar, it was my job to go over to the offended party and peel off a C note to quell the thing out.  The Sheikh stunk, and he had this disgusting habit of eating cold sheep's eyeballs out of a plastic baggie, but I didn't mind.  The poontang around this guy was unbelievable.  I guess it was the crisp cash that sloughed off him like dead skin cells...
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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2006, 02:46:10 PM »
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The Americon Indian and Africans are two peoples who immediately come to mind. Both of which had been doing fine for thousands of years without our help....Untill we decided to hel them


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