Author Topic: Flying makes me sick now (Read 2918 times)

USHilDvl · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:45:36 AM »

I'll reaffirm the claims that adjustment is everything.

I've had TrackIR since v2, and now run v4. If you don't have it yet, I highly recommend the 6-vector setup. Not only will it make the whole thing that much more intuitive, but then you can duck when someone shoots at you!

Keep working with the deadband adjustments, as well as the aggressiveness curves. These are critical to getting a response curve you are comfortable with.

When it's not right, the thing can feel like a real burden, and slow you down. When you begin to close on a config that suits you, you'll know it.

I've never had a motion sickness problem, although my wife can't even watch the screen when I fly...with or without TrackIR. Seems people can either process the visual images independent of coordinated balance cues from the inner ear, or they can't. If not, you'll feel ill.

Also, consider mapping the TrackIR enable/disable command and the centering command to your stick, so you can switch around quick. I find that I prefer to go back to a typical headlocked position when actually shooting, while using the TrackIR during acquisition.

Luck!

Balsy · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:10:37 AM »

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Originally posted by USHilDvl
I'll reaffirm the claims that adjustment is everything.

I've had TrackIR since v2, and now run v4. If you don't have it yet, I highly recommend the 6-vector setup. Not only will it make the whole thing that much more intuitive, but then you can duck when someone shoots at you!

Keep working with the deadband adjustments, as well as the aggressiveness curves. These are critical to getting a response curve you are comfortable with.

When it's not right, the thing can feel like a real burden, and slow you down. When you begin to close on a config that suits you, you'll know it.

I've never had a motion sickness problem, although my wife can't even watch the screen when I fly...with or without TrackIR. Seems people can either process the visual images independent of coordinated balance cues from the inner ear, or they can't. If not, you'll feel ill.

Also, consider mapping the TrackIR enable/disable command and the centering command to your stick, so you can switch around quick. I find that I prefer to go back to a typical headlocked position when actually shooting, while using the TrackIR during acquisition.

Luck!

Instead of shutting TIR off, try mapping a button to KP8 which will hold the view in the forward position, but still allow you to move vertically and horizontally, it will take away the yaw axis. So you leave tir on, hold the button down for your shot, and if the shot passes, you simply release and your back in TIR 100%.

I had the shut off/on thing, and it became to disruptive.

Balsy

eilif · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2006, 01:51:35 PM »

Tir takes about a week to get profficiant with, and a couple more weeks to surpass what ever you could do with the hat switch, your flying will improve radicaly after you get comfertable with it. I just turned it on cold turkey and mastered it after setting all the axis to "aggressive" in the preset. So its subtle in the center for gunnery, and you dont have to move your head far to check 6. The roll takes some getting used to but you will find it makes you SA go way up after a while, real pilots keep their heads level as possible with the horizon at all times, this transelates into ah effectively with the roll cam option, its crazy the kinda intense deflection shots you will be able to pull off. Dont get discrouraged, you will get your arse handed to ya for a bit but once tir becomes second nature you will have opened up a whole new can o worms in terms of acm potential because if the boosted SA.

Kermit de frog · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:24:11 PM »

I just use my hat switch (# 8 on keypad) when I'm going to shoot most of the time. Sometimes I'm so close that I don't need to

Just mess with the settings for a week until you get it right.

It makes the game harder but more enjoyable. Your gunnery will go to crap. Since I got my trackIR, I can no longer see directly behind me

Makes fighting harder and more realistic.

Lazerr · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:38:33 PM »

Sounds too damn confusing, and too damn expensive. I'll stick with flyin mouse style.

Morpheus · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2006, 04:27:14 PM »

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Originally posted by eilif
Tir takes about a week to get profficiant with, and a couple more weeks to surpass what ever you could do with the hat switch, your flying will improve radicaly after you get comfertable with it. I just turned it on cold turkey and mastered it after setting all the axis to "aggressive" in the preset. So its subtle in the center for gunnery, and you dont have to move your head far to check 6. The roll takes some getting used to but you will find it makes you SA go way up after a while, real pilots keep their heads level as possible with the horizon at all times, this transelates into ah effectively with the roll cam option, its crazy the kinda intense deflection shots you will be able to pull off. Dont get discrouraged, you will get your arse handed to ya for a bit but once tir becomes second nature you will have opened up a whole new can o worms in terms of acm potential because if the boosted SA.

I was on the way out the door today, go to the end of my driveway, looked in the rear view and saw that I still had that stupid looking TIR thing on my hat. lol. wtf

I can see how your SA can go up with it. Its also nice to fly in auto lvl or climb and fly hands free checking the sky.

Is there a way to limit roll? I mean to stop it from going 180 upside down? If i roll my head enough, and its not alot either, I will be completely upside down in the cockpit. LOL Its like I forgot to put my straps on or something lol.

ALF · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2006, 04:56:44 PM »

You can set the sensativity in all axis with a curveed response, so you can make it so that rolling your head does very little until at the extreme limits, you can also turn off that axis if so desired. Take a little time setting it up to be smooth and for you to get used to it. At first it is VERY helpful to have a quick 'off' key to turn it off for dive bombing or even gunnery...just be sure not to use it as a crutch, or you'll never learn to use it. Ive used mine for over a year now and I never turn it off unless I just want gain altitude and watch TV without my view skewing all owver the place.

Combathanger TIR/VECTOR review

Goomba · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2006, 05:02:35 PM »

Yea, man...you gotta watch the hat thing. Every time I forget, and wear it where someone will see me, my little girl (8) points out that "Daddys wearing his antenna, so he can talk to the mothership".

That's what I get for cracking a joke the first time the kid asked me what it was. Now, before I can get a word in, she hits 'em with the Mothership bit, and it's off to the races while daddy tries to dig his way out from under.

The wife ack just points and laughs...

BTW..I'll have to check tonight, but I'm pretty sure you can reduce the aggressiveness of the roll function. Mine does not respond at all as fiercely as yours seems to, so try turning 'er down a bit.

ujustdied · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2006, 05:48:16 PM »

i still dont understand how this thing works. is it like a 3d thing or what i looked at site but i dont know if it goes on your head or what can some 1 send a picture or somthing of what this thing does. and please explain im lost.

catfish6

Morpheus · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2006, 06:21:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Goomba
Yea, man...you gotta watch the hat thing. Every time I forget, and wear it where someone will see me, my little girl (8) points out that "Daddys wearing his antenna, so he can talk to the mothership".

[SIZE=25]LOL!!![/SIZE]

Kermit de frog · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:50:46 PM »

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Originally posted by ujustdied
i still dont understand how this thing works. is it like a 3d thing or what i looked at site but i dont know if it goes on your head or what can some 1 send a picture or somthing of what this thing does. and please explain im lost.

catfish6

Go to their website and they have videos, pictures, text documents, everything you need to find out that it is and how to set it up!

http://www.naturalpoint.com
trackir section.

eilif · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2006, 12:58:41 AM »

origionaly posted by Morpheus

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I was on the way out the door today, go to the end of my driveway, looked in the rear view and saw that I still had that stupid looking TIR thing on my hat. lol. wtf

hehe you think thats bad?

Back in the day when i had tir without the vector expansion you had to put the dot on your nose, I went down to the post office, and was wondering why the clirk gave me this really warm smile (he had the voice of big gay al from southpark), i got home and looked in the mirror, DAMNIT!

there should be a forum for our tir social war stories, ugh.

Morpheus · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2006, 01:08:24 AM »

Blahahahaha. LOLOL:lol

daddog · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:53:51 PM »

LOL

I have several in my squad trying out the IR 4.

Have not taken the plunge yet myself.

Morph, I will have that DVD in the mail to you this weekend. A squadie finally sent back one I can burn.

Yippee38 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 22, 2006, 06:21:27 PM »

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Originally posted by eilif
real pilots keep their heads level as possible with the horizon at all times

That would hurt when doing a roll. Actually, I think you meant that real pilots keep their heads as level as possible with the lateral axis of the airplane at all times. I hope that's what you meant. I've never met a pilot who tried to keep their head level with the horizon. It might in fact make them sick.

Keep in mind that other peoples' profiles might not work for you. If you sit at a different difference from your monitor (and the TrackIR unit), the profile might be too aggressive or not aggressive enough for you.

Having said that, Speed55's profile seems to work really well. It's quite a bit faster than what I was using before, but I like it.

You get used to looking over your shoulder and around the headrest. It's so damn cool!

I can attest to the TrackIR helping your SA. I've been flying AH and before it AW since about '96 - 10 years! I usually would die horribly to lack of SA. I never mastered the hat switches. Recently I landed a 5 kill mission. I get more kills now, I land more, and I RTB more than I ever did before. The TrackIR makes flying and watching the NME so much more natural to me, that I wouldn't consider flying without it.