Its only a matter of time before the US/Chino war

[MrSiD]

Toad: the $ aren't coming from Russian government or even russians themselves.

The Russian mafia deals the marketing via russia to all over the world, and the business is very big.

Biggest part of the profit remains with mafia (they don't obviously pay taxes..)

But the final profit ends up to the chinese economy.

[jato757]

i think yer right!

[Pongo]

A russian complains about the delay of overlord.....As if the Russians could have crossed  the channel except on the bodies of their dead.
Some one says that Lend lease was the only reason the Russians were successful in WW2.

I can see why this isnt in the History area.

Someone says if the chinese beat the US then they will just have to fight one of the American Allies...I hope he doesnt mean Canada..we cant do squat to keep Chinese illegals out of canada  Forget keeping the Peoples army out of Taiwan.
If the Chinese hand it to the US over Taiwan..then it is a done deal. No one else can affect the issue at all except the Japanese..I doubt the Taiwanese will invite them in.....

China vs Taiwan and the US is an interesting Harpoon Scenario but a pretty silly war.

I dont think the Chinese have the ability to cross 100 miles of ocean that the US doenst want to let them...not yet.
The most likey "war" that would happen is that the Chinese would nuke Taiwan.  

[Toad]

Sid,

The problem is that the Chinese sell us primarily toys, footwear and cheap clothing. That is their export.

Now are you telling me that there is a huge demand in Russia for GI Ivan toys, Barbiesky dolls, flip-flop sandals (fur-lined model for winter)and cheap cotton T-shirts?

You have to have a market. I doubt there is any country in the world that truly wants most of the stuff the Chinese are selling to create that trade imbalance we have with them.

[Boroda]

Pongo, two words: Manchurian operation. That's exactly how Russians do massive offencive operations.

Toad, I liked that "GI IVAN"   Very nice joke!

The case is that China exports to Russia contain so-called "mass-consumption goods", exactly as you described. Chineese goods are usually very cheap and the quality is extremely poor. Hehe, 5 or 7 years ago I saw a very funny street advertising: "Come to our shop! Chineese goods from all over the world!"  

As for Russian mafia - what exactly do you mean? It reminds me of an old joke. An old Jew calls the Russian nationalist party office. "Is it true that Jews sold out the whole Russia?" - "Yes, you Jewish freak! Why the hell do you call us!?" - "Just wondering where can I get my personal share?"   RuSsIaN MaFiA \m/ is another stupidity invented by Western press, another "newspeak" phrase like "ethnic cleansings" or "evil empire".

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With respect,
    Pavel Pavlov,
    Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS

[MrSiD]

Toad: I'm talking about mass production of ALL kinds of pirated products. CD-Roms, Audio-CD's, Nike shoes, Levi jeans, Kodak cameras, Playstation games.. The list is neverending.

I suggest you go to a marketplace somewhere in central-europe or eastern europe and you'll have a small idea of the scale of the business.

Truckloads of bootleg products get caught daily being delivered through russia to different countries.. And always most of the products skip customs officers. They even sell women for slaves for crying out loud!

It's a huge business, and it doesn't show on any official figures because even in russia the business is illegal.

However in China the factories work on legal basis so I'd expect some percentage of the profit to end up also to the government.

Probably not enough to cover the loss created by losing US customers, but still quite big enough to be taken into consideration.

[metronom]

Just ended readin the whole site about this.

Wow.

I'm gettin ripped between two oppinions. First - Some Warhungry Egomaniacs have nothin better to do as to start a war. Damn you, isn't enough dead and sorrow in this world?? Crazy Lunatics. I worked 2 years for the Doctors without Boarders Organisation and saw lot's of victims - mostly and only children. After I got almost killed two times my wife begged me not to go anymore - for the sake of my own children.
Then the shootin start is the "Ideology" or "Politics" or what ever humbug forgoten. Everybody just shoot - on other Humans. For what? Doesn't matter anymore. The main thing is to kill someone. Have you ever smelled burned Flesh? Ever seen a little Child in a total shock from lookin at his dead Mother? People dying just because there is no water? This is and this only the real war. The rest is Hollywood.
The second oppinion? Doesn't matter anymore.

Homo Homini Lupus est.


Sailor

[Vruth]

I think all we are seeing is posturing.

To the Chinese, the US is as evil and one-sided as the US view the Chinese as evil and one-sided.  Famous documentary on the life of a Canadian student living in Beijing that re-enforced this fact - can't remember the name...

I've seen this all before in my U.N. work experience. This is all about posturing, image, and diplomacy. China is trying to become a world power and is attempting to flex it's muscle, and it has every right to do so.

Will it lead to war? Probably not. Nukes are the deterrent.  

RIPSNORT, stop reading Tom Clancy!!!!    


Vruth

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[CyranoAH]

I had to post this... a friend of mine from the States sent it to me.  

   

Daniel, aka CyranoDB

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[Cabby]

Quote:

"To the Chinese, the US is as evil and one-sided as the US view the Chinese as evil and one-sided. "

But the Communist Chinese government IS evil.  That's the difference.  If you can't SEE the difference well, either you are ignorant or a Communist/Totalitarian sympathizer.  Don't give me that "our country is no better than their country" drivel...

As for "burnt babies", the USA maintains a strong National Defense precisely because we want to prevent the possibility of that happening to Americans on American soil.  Again, if you can't comprehend that.......

Good for GW for not kissing totalitarian ass.

Cabby

[Toad]

Ah, I get now Sid.

The Chinese factories that produce toys, flip-flops and cheap T-shirts for the US trade will suddenly and seamlessly switch to "pirated goods" quickly and painlessly making up for the shortfall of no trade with the US.

Man, that's such a good deal I just can't imagine why they bother to trade with the US right now, can you?

 

[MrSiD]

Toad: I doubt any of the factories produce anything just for US trade. Like I said earlier, US may be big, but it's not the world (even though many of you seem to think so.)

[Ripsnort]

In yesterdays news, it went almost unnoticed that the U.S. has broke off any Military Communications with the Chinese military.

[Boroda]

Hmm, Rip, I heard it on the radio this morning, but only because Pentagon officials said it's not true...

Looks like someone spreads rumours to make the situation worse?

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With respect,
    Pavel Pavlov,
    Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS

[Toad]

LOL, Sid.

Check the trade numbers again. You'll see the answer. These are for 1999. The 2000's are out and I think the US share is a bit higher.

Check Table 4: China's Top Trade Partners (Total Trade, $ million)
 Country 1999 % change % of Total PRC Trade Rank 1998  
1 Japan 18.3%  
2 United States 17.0%  

3 Hong Kong 12.1% (and they RUN HK now, so they're now trading with themsleves. Not export then is it?)  

4 South Korea 6.9%
5 Taiwan 6.5%
6 Germany 4.5%
7 Singapore 2.4%
8 United Kingdom 2.2%
9 France 1.9%
10 Netherlands 1.8%

 http://www.uschina.org/press/tradetable.html  


Hmm. Gee, Mr. Sid WHERE'S RUSSIA? Russian is NOT one of their top 10 trade partners now but is going to jump in and soak up the US's lost 17%?

 

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