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Offline EN4CER

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« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2006, 12:39:12 PM »
500,000 ILLEGAL Immigrants vs. Millions of American Citizens fed up with their garbage. In a democracy I thought the majority wins, not the illegal immigrants. Ah – Shame on me, I forget that this problem is compounded by 100+ Politicians and 1 President who I Love/Hate sitting in Washington with their thumbs in their rear end in this issue. Solution is simple – Follow the LAW! They’re Illegal broom them out – Good Bye! If they want to come to our country – do it the right way – like my grandfather did and millions of others. Funny – I don’t recall stories of my Grandfather marching in the streets whining about entitlements when he came here from Europe. Both political parties piss me off on this issue – The Democrats want to maintain an “Entitlement Dependant” Voter base and the Republicans enjoy the cheap labor.

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« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2006, 01:32:37 PM »
You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.
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« Reply #107 on: March 28, 2006, 02:40:50 PM »
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You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.


And why not Frenchy?  Ohhhhh because they did it the legal way.

If your Visa is expired I might suggest you look for work in your Home Country.

Mac


What do you do for work RIGHT now?  Got money?  Do you eat?  Going from TX to CA huh? How?

Just curious.


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« Reply #108 on: March 28, 2006, 02:57:56 PM »
Mac, no reason fer being a dick to Frenchy.. and my friend; you could use a bit of conceptual adjustment.

Legal Immigration into this country is a morass of bribery, corruption and insults.. like yours. Frenchy is LEGAL, and he paid his dues.. and if push came to shove I'd consider him and a whole buncha other immigrants that speak our language, embrace our culture and pay their taxes more worthy of the American Dream than some of the indigent arrogant racist retards we seem to have floting around here as of late.
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« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2006, 03:05:04 PM »
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« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2006, 03:34:39 PM »
Ok, speaking as a legal immigrant to the USA, the process is indeed a beauracratic pain in the neck that involves driving to cities you don't live near, getting photographed and finger-printed, filling out and filing form after form, and paying large fees for the privilege. But it isn't impossible.

I'll admit that on occasion, I've been frustrated by the hoops I have to jump through in order to live here, but on reflection if I pile up all the benefits that the privilege of living in the United States has afforded me against those inconveniences, it is literally like comparing a mountain to a mole-hill.

I also recognize that the freedoms that I have here, were (as the cliche puts it) not free and it wasn't my or my family's blood, sweat, and tears that purchased them and accordingly I have a responsibility to view living here as a gift rather than something I have earned or have an inherent right to. To merely cut a hole in a fence and walk in, would neither be right, legal, nor respectful. It wouldn't be very different from my breaking into my neighbor's house, and claiming a right to one of his bedrooms, and then arguing that although I wasn't invited, that I entered illegally, and that  I and mine did nothing to pay for the house, that I should be allowed to stay because I am willing to do some of the chores his son moans about, like taking the trash out for a cut of his allowance.

Anyway, just a few thoughts regarding the practical implications of illegal immigration:

1) Many illegals do indeed vote. Motor-voter laws make it incredibly easy to register without proof of citizenship. On several occasions I have been solicited by the volunteers at the DMV to register to vote. The only proof necessary to do so would have been the drivers license I already had and a willingness to swear to a falsehood.  I have met "resident aliens" (on Greencards like myself) who are registered and do vote illegally.

2) While many illegals pay S.S. via bogus numbers, an even greater number pay no taxes whatsoever because they are paid as day-laborers under the table. Many of them take advantage of public services such as schools and various public programs.

By far the worst effect of this trend however is on hospitals. Emergency rooms are legally obligated to treat all people regardless of their insurance status, illegals know this and have taken advantage of it. As a result, in many areas where there is a high illegal immigrant population, hospitals have been forced to shut down because of mounting debts. This endangers the entire community.

3) The largest growth sector for the American prison population is illegal immigrants. At present Illegals make up over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities. This population is actually growing faster than the rate of illegal immigration, largely fueled by the fact that drug trafficking in the USA is much more lucrative than laboring - at present over 72,000 illegals are arrested annually on drug trafficking charges.

In any event, the question really boils down to get serious or give up. Either accept that the south western states are going to become part of Latin America, and eventually look politically, economically,  and culturally very like those societies, or close the borders and deport the illegals. Half-measures are never going to solve the problem. Your answer I suppose will depend on which future you would prefer. Having visited Mexico, South and Central America a number of times, I would personally prefer if our society didn't look like theirs, but I'll endure either way.

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« Reply #111 on: March 28, 2006, 09:21:06 PM »
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You guys cannot compare your grand father's immigration experience, with today's immmigration experience.


Your right - we can't - my grandfather receiving nothing when he got off the boat nor did he expect anything. Today you just walk across the border and sign up for the hand outs and entitlements.

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« Reply #112 on: March 28, 2006, 09:54:00 PM »
What are those handouts and entitlements? Can you list some, please?

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« Reply #113 on: March 28, 2006, 10:21:21 PM »
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What are those handouts and entitlements? Can you list some, please?


I'll put it to you this way Rolex -

TRY THIS

Enter MEXICO illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.

- Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family.

- Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.

- Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc. Procreate abundantly.

- Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A. thing. You would not understand, pal."

- Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your car bumper.

- Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do likewise.

- Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.

- Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized, illegal, presence in Mexico. Drive around with no liability insura nce......and ignore local traffic laws.

- Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its officers.

Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or soon dead. Because it will never happen. It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world... except right here in the United States... Land of the naive!

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« Reply #114 on: March 28, 2006, 10:34:17 PM »
Costa Mesa, CA.  The mayor has huevos.
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« Reply #115 on: March 29, 2006, 12:00:56 AM »
"Land of the Naive" :)

You don't think I'm pro illegal immigration, do you? I hope not. What I was going to get to was that >30% of illegal immigrants are on welfare.

I just think it's amazing that an uneducated peasant family can scramble across a river with a rucksack of clothes and outwit the entire collective intelligence of the government of the United States of America to collect money.

I think screaming about the peasant should be replaced with screaming at the elected representatives who have allowed the incompetence of the bureaucracy to blossom to Dilbertian level.

(I blame the end of the Hatch Act - in case you're too young to know, federal employees were not allowed to vote to prevent the growth of a bureaucracy supporting itself politically.)

If you throw birdseed in your yard every morning, you shouldn't scream at the birds for eating it.

Illegal immigrants weren't smart enough to choose their parents and birthplace as well as they should have. They screwed up by not being born into a perfectly functional, white, middle-class family in Kansas who fed them, clothed them and educated them. It's just as instinctive for people to strive for a better life and grab at some scraps of food.

But, the US has plenty of programs for legal immigration. Illegal immigration is just creating a larger underclass of desperate people doing desperate things to survive.

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« Reply #116 on: March 29, 2006, 12:06:28 AM »
If you want to live in America you have to speak english:furious
if you can't speak english well get out

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« Reply #117 on: March 29, 2006, 12:45:11 AM »
Imagine if the test required two written sentences with less than 7 errors?

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« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2006, 12:46:19 AM »
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"Land of the Naive" :)

You don't think I'm pro illegal immigration, do you? I hope not. What I was going to get to was that >30% of illegal immigrants are on welfare.


if they are illegal how they can get welfer? no ID no SSN so how come they can get any support if they not egzist?
I allways assume to get welfer you need to be resident or citizen




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But, the US has plenty of programs for legal immigration. Illegal immigration is just creating a larger underclass of desperate people doing desperate things to survive. [/B]


Show me ONE, non family related and not requiring PHD

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« Reply #119 on: March 29, 2006, 04:07:57 AM »
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And why not Frenchy?  Ohhhhh because they did it the legal way.

If your Visa is expired I might suggest you look for work in your Home Country.

Mac


What do you do for work RIGHT now?  Got money?  Do you eat?  Going from TX to CA huh? How?

Just curious.


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No because when your grand father came, he went off a boat directly to NYC's immigrant staging and registration center. There is no such thing anymore. Coming to USA and look for work is illegal now, and immigrants as not as welcomed as they used to. That's why I say it's different.

What do you do for work RIGHT now?
I'm on SSI, and I have a side business of reselling food stamps provided by the Salvation Army.

Got money?
$371.76

Do you eat?  
Yes, and I poop too.

Going from TX to CA huh? How?
Greyhound bus, $75, paid by the Association of French Travelers.

... And I don't like the "tone" of your post.
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