Author Topic: Guppy, Help with Spitfires please (Read 1406 times)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2006, 11:38:37 AM »

If you can track this down it would help a lot. It's a little book but it covers a lot of info a Spit skin maker would want. Tough to find but sometimes shows up on E-Bay

Here's a page from inside that covers roundel size, type and placement.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2006, 11:42:20 AM »

Just checked http://www.abebooks.com

There is a copy and it's cheap. In fact it's a steal since this is hard to find.

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=632600057&searchurl=sts%3Dt%26y%3D0%26kn%3DCamouflage%2B%2526%2BMarkings%252C%2BSupermarine%2BSpitfire%26x%3D0

Fencer51 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 06, 2006, 11:59:06 AM »

There WAS a book available..

Stupid question time...

Are all areas of green camouflague the same on each Spitfire?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 06, 2006, 12:31:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Fencer51
There WAS a book available..

Stupid question time...

Are all areas of green camouflague the same on each Spitfire?

Early on they alternated so that there was an A scheme and a B scheme.

Essentially it was mirrored. They did away with that in the Spit I/II series though so that there was a standard camo scheme that was painted on each Spit.

The black and white drawing I posted shows the standard camo pattern. It was the same pattern for the desert camo too. You've got it on your 602 bird. Obviously the guy doing the spraying wasn't exact so that it would look slightly different but the guide they used was the same.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2006, 12:52:00 PM »

Yeah I was sensing a pattern there when I kept noticing all the profiles and those pictures I could find of the wings all seemed the same..

(Uh oh.. KRUSTY IS RIGHT!!

)

Krusty · « **Reply #20 on:** March 06, 2006, 01:09:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Fencer51
Yeah I was sensing a pattern there when I kept noticing all the profiles and those pictures I could find of the wings all seemed the same..

(Uh oh.. KRUSTY IS RIGHT!! )

Okay, for 1, I only say that on planes that are 99% identical to a plane we already have, or something like that. I didn't say 1 thing here.

For 2, I realized a while back that the problem with skinning spits (and the reason I haven't skinned any myself) is that the RAF didn't like to vary its camo schemes, and that as a rule every plane was nearly identical to every other plane (the difference being the fuselage codes). I realize that. Most others realize that. Nobody's going to hold it against ya, simply because that's how the spits are.

Hey, as long as it looks good, my philosophy on spits is "why not? There's nothing else we can do".

Kev367th · « **Reply #21 on:** March 06, 2006, 01:57:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Early on they alternated so that there was an A scheme and a B scheme.

Essentially it was mirrored. They did away with that in the Spit I/II series though so that there was a standard camo scheme that was painted on each Spit.

The black and white drawing I posted shows the standard camo pattern. It was the same pattern for the desert camo too. You've got it on your 602 bird. Obviously the guy doing the spraying wasn't exact so that it would look slightly different but the guide they used was the same.

What to look for is some had non-standard camo layouts.
I.e. for some reason it was altered for example -

Notice the demarcation line forward of the cockpit is not standard, probably to allow for the nose-art (BTW sent this one in).

Guppy35 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 06, 2006, 02:20:29 PM »

Agreed Kev. You can find those that have been repainted at the squadron level or at least touched up that don't follow the factory paint. But they came off the line painted the same way.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2006, 12:10:45 PM »

Hey Guppy,

On page 203 of 2nd TAF Volume 2 do you see a squadron badge on the starbord side of this spit? Look at the enlargement of the pic where the aussies are pulling the bombs.

Almost done.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2006, 11:17:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Fencer51
Hey Guppy,

On page 203 of 2nd TAF Volume 2 do you see a squadron badge on the starbord side of this spit? Look at the enlargement of the pic where the aussies are pulling the bombs.

Almost done.

Can't tell from that photo but much to my surprise, in "Glasgow's Own" the photo history of 602, there was this image that isn't ID'd as Clostermann's bird but is clearly LO-D. No badge. Not seeing it on the right side of other 602 birds either.

This is pre-D-Day at Detling. You did hear that Clostermann passed away last week I take it?

On a side note. A bit disappointed in "Two Man Air Force" the book about Gentile and Godfrey. Looks like he slapped it together from all kinds of well known sources. No new images either. Bout halfway through so maybe it will change, but "Look of Eagles" tells the same story better.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2006, 09:29:10 AM »

No I had not heard that about Clostermann. That's too darn bad.

I first read his book back when the Bantam edition came out in the 70's.
It's now held togather with tape and is on it's last legs. So I ordered a new hardback edition from Amazon.

I held off buying that Gentile and Godfrey book until I saw some reviews. Sorry that you are not enjoying it.

I did get Vol 1 of 2nd TAF

Cheers,

Oh yeah thanks for the info on the spit

. Also I think that's a different spit, the serial number is wrong, CloClos was MH586. Glasgows own huh.. hmm.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2006, 11:00:38 PM »

Don't waste your time on Two Man Air Force. Not worth the paper it's printed on. I'm surprised it got past an editor its such a mess. Nothing new in it, all taken from other sources that I don't doubt you already have.

Still think the Spit posted is one of Clostermann's as he flew LO-D as a Spit V as well. More to the point the lion rampant isn't on the right side which seems to be consistant with other photos of 602 birds.

Gonna be adding 2 TAF volume 1 to the library as well