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AG Sachsenberg

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2001, 04:50:00 PM »
   
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Jesus Miko.   You are more in need of a joint than anyone I've ever known.

       

I dunno if he passes I am open running down the sideline with a bag of cheetos in arms waiting.  

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2001, 05:02:00 PM »
 
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 My intelligence as measured by IQ or by my proficiency puts me considerably higher than average. In that respect I have something in common with Aldos Huxley's Alpha's.
 I am also pretty sure that intelligence was high on a list of requirements that my parents had for each other, so there was some concious decision resulting in me being smart. Still, I cannot take credit for that. neither am I sure it makes me more happy. So besides being smart, I must also be wise   Not too modest...    
  I made sure to marry a very smart girl too, no children yet...

 My income is also considerably higher then average even though I am a first-generation immigrant and had no money when I came to US.
 I had to rely on loans, schoolarships and work in college to pay for my M.S. in Computer Science - all those contingent on my intelligence and hard work. Also very easy to  get - provided you make a grade.

 I work real hard for my living and I pay taxes out of proportion to my relative income.
 In my work environment or among my friends I happen to be of pretty average intelligence, though - that helps to keep me humble.  

 I do not mind helping the society but a lot of that money is spent based on wishfull thinking rather then scientific knowlege. Laws of sociology only seem more arbitrary then laws of physics - ignoring them will cost us.

 My knowlege in biology, math and familiarity with studies on intelligence make me believe that intelligence is mostly inheritable and - in extremely mobile socieaty like US - is the primary attribute of a personal success.

 I understand that many things would have been much easier and simpler if all people, or at least all nations/races were equally intelligent. Unfortunately wishfull thinking does not make it so.

 Salut!
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Interesting stance.  Somehow you seem to be relating intelligence, a quality which has yet to have a generally accepted standard of measurement, with race, a concept that is, by its nature, undefinable.  You then take the immeasurable with the undefinable and somehow derive "facts".  As Darth Vader would say, "impressive!"

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2001, 06:36:00 PM »
 
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 My intelligence as measured by IQ or by my proficiency puts me considerably higher than

So besides being smart, I must also be wise  

 My income is also considerably higher then average


gee i have a confession to make too...i am super super smart....and when i am not engaged in being insanely intelligent i am usually being funny, thoughtful and/or dashing.

sometimes i like to mix it up and be dashing, funny, alluring and then polish it off with a little unexpected poutiness - that always gets em swooning

and of course i like to do these things while being extrememly wealthy and admired by my peers. they all look up to me as i am so cheeky and terrific - ahhhhhh to be me - but enough of me talking about myself....why dont you talk about me for a while  - you can draw graphs if you want i know its hard for you to express yourself with that inferior intellect
 

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2001, 06:37:00 PM »
"The most recent study said that cannabis is less harmful than aspirin."

Heh..I disagree strongly here.
I've known several regular users of cannabis and they all suffered from bad memory.
OTOH, they also smoked so much, that had it been alcohol, they would probably have been utterly unable to function  .
Had two guys drop out of college because the smoked too much..both smart enough to easily pass (but not smart enough to stop smoking).
 It might not be physically addictive, but it certainly can be mentally addictive. It still provides some escape from reality.
 I happily agree that cannabis is on par with alcohol (if not "safer"..never known anyone stoned to go looking for a fight)...but harmless it aint. (Dunno what the side-effects of regular overuse of aspirin is:P).
 I've personally never been a big fan. I can enjoy a drag or two, but only being able to sit down and say "plbbtttthhhhhhhh" for 2 hours and then go raid the fridge never really appealed to me.

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2001, 07:24:00 PM »
It has been a LONG time since our good friend Miko2D has been in college.

I'd say about 9 out or 10 people I meet are college material.  And I'm still IN collese, so I should know!  Maybe only 1/16 or so are "Ivy-league" material.   College classes are simply NOT very difficult.

Finally, I think Miko2D puts too much faith in "IQ".   My sister has an IQ of more than 170, yet she's the stupidest person I know.  She may be smart, but she has no common sense at all.  

By Miko's shandards she should be incredibly rich, yet she makes less than I do at my part-time job.  She just turns off most anyone who meets her, and she's her own biggest obstacle to success.

Having good sense and a good personality is VASTLY more important than simply being "smart".


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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2001, 07:57:00 PM »
Daff, the studies have shown, that cannabis doesent do any permanent damage and the short-term memory loss comes with heavy usage, when the metabolites of cannabinoids dont get enough time to get out of the system and eventually they _impair_ some of your brain functions (they store themselfs in fatcells and in some parts of brain) untill you stop smoking and let the metabolites to burn (takes month or two).

Most of the "known" problems comes when the person is  high all the time, as you cant study or learn efficently if you are high. This can be strongly linked to the "drop-outs" of schools, who are chronic potsmokers.
There are many cases, when the invidual has had multiple problems in his life and sometimes smoked pot. Now you can imagine the gossips when he drops out of school: "Thats what the pot does yep" and such types of BS.

The pot doesent harm you if you use it properly (which is very very easy) so you cant blame it for your problems.
Pot doesent come even close to the physical harms made by alcohol. Everybody knows, that the morning after tells you just how bad the dinking is doing to your body.
Occasional drinking wont kill you as you dont live long enough to suffer the PERMANENT damage done by it. There aint no safe alcohol drinks, but there surely is safe joints if we think about the chronic damages. The short term impairments dont mean nothing, since they are all well below the same made by alcohol.

Pot smoke isnt good for your lungs, but there are other ways to use it, like eating, so if youre worried about your lungs, just make some Space-Cookies..

For Miko: The wealthiness of person isnt by any ways linked to his/hers integellience. People can be very very rich and still be stupid as a monkey (go Bush, go Gore!). It goes just as well otherwise; You being poor doesent mean, that you arent integellient. You can be good in everything, but still not get any situations in your lifetime, that would make you rich using your skills.
So, if you see a poor person walking past of you, you just cant know, that he could count 43252x155325 faster than you with your calculator or he can see all the patterns of the shapes in IQ tests instantously. He just doesent know it, or just doesent know anyplace, that he could use his skills.

The wealty=intelligence is always pointed out by a wealthy persons, as they usually think, that they must be something special when they have had such a good money making opportunities in their life. Most of todays multimillionares have made their money by an accident, like investing 10 years ago in Nokia just for the phuck of it.

Oh and our society supports only few types of skills. The arts/philosophy/musical types of persons get often nothing, no matter how good they are in their things. IQ test is as good as predicting the weather from the frogs. Intelligence is something so widely featured, that it just cant be measured by any single tests.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2001, 08:06:00 PM »
 
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I can enjoy a drag or two, but only being able to sit down and say "plbbtttthhhhhhhh" for 2 hours and then go raid the fridge never really appealed to me.

Daff


Heh.  Yeah it does have that effect on people doesnt it?    

There's more to dope than "pffft.....munchies" ya know.  Try doing something....anything ya like, when you're stoned.  Even something so simple as making coffee becomes a major military operation.  I swear, the guy who came up with 'Time & Motion' studies hadda be a spliff head.  And yes you can have too much....just like alcohol.  Most people do......which is why it turns into "plbbtttthhhhhhhh".

   

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2001, 09:55:00 AM »
 
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Finally, I think Miko2D puts too much faith in "IQ".....  Having good sense and a good personality is VASTLY more important than simply being "smart".

J_A_B

No doubt of that.  IQ tests all contain strong cultural and eduactional biases.  While they do give some information on the relative performance of certain types of activities for members of specific groups, they are notoriously unreliable when generally applied.  And those certain activities they do measure don't include common sense or good judgement - things that are awfully important in getting through life.

By the way JAB - nice to see you  

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »
 
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Finally, I think Miko2D puts too much faith in "IQ".   My sister has an IQ of more than 170, yet she's the stupidest person I know.  She may be smart, but she has no common sense at all.  

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J_A_B I think that is kinda funny, I have a 171 IQ yet have not completed college.  1 semester away just to damn lazy to get up and take the last few classes.  I do not think IQ weighs heavily on a person as one would assume.  We have people who can adjust "street smart" and those that are "book smart" and of course the "common sense smart".  

Each has there own values , +'s and -'s with each of course.  You also have to look at 1 individual that brags about their IQ, from my experience those that do, either are borderline "as in their tests show they are below that 150 mark but fall a couple short so they improvise and say yeah I have above a 150 IQ"  "or those that are smart but can't answer a freakin question to save their life"

Sorry but braggin about one's IQ is childish IMO.  Save the bragging for when you toast someone that followed you into a Hammerhead.      

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2001, 12:43:00 PM »
 
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I do believe that inability to find a place in life despite abundant opportunities, tendency to commit crimes or be involved in other kinds of self-destructive or anti-social behavior is closely linked to intelligence.

Let's run with this. Given that a disproportionate number of black people in the US are poor, compared to the caucasian population, let's look at your next comment:

 
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Since intelligence it to a great degree inherited, there is no fault of an idividual for having low intelligence.

The inference from this is that black people are inherently stupid, to be so poor in the first place. Moreover, the black race has lower mental capacity than the white population.

Please clarify your position on this, miko.
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »
 
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The inference from this is that black people are inherently stupid, to be so poor in the first place. Moreover, the black race has lower mental capacity than the white population.

Please clarify your position on this, miko.

Gee Dowding - I thought he made that conclusion abundantly clear.  

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2001, 01:51:00 PM »
 
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.why dont you talk about me for a while  - you can draw graphs if you want i know its hard for you to express yourself with that inferior intellect
 

 I was asked a specific question and I answered to the best of my knowlege.

 I must tell you that misquoting someone is equivalent to lying. My statement "So besides being smart, I must also be wise  " takes a very diferent meaning when you chop off a smile glyph.

 miko

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »
oy gevalt miko! - attacking a parody now?! you are hard up.

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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »
Returning to the original topic - sorry but roadkill. Bush or Gore did not get federal aid for school - they paid for it.
If you have to rely on the government to pay for your school ( aka MY DAMN MONEY ) then how can you excpect to get away with breaking the law ?
I agree that all federal crimes should have same effect when considered for the help, but to say that this is a wrong system is BS.

If you want to go to college you are a "grown up" ( note the quotation marks )
In "grown up" world there are actions and their result. You smoke dope - you're breaking the law. If is so fricking important to you - decide on one or the other - dope or school, cause my fricking tax money shouldn't pay for you to smoke dope in dorm.



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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2001, 02:54:00 PM »
 
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Gee Dowding - I thought he made that conclusion abundantly clear.

Well... err... yes, but I want his take on it.

His comments are openly racist and have no place here. But that's not necessarily his intention.

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