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Offline Zazen13

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« Reply #405 on: April 06, 2006, 02:35:28 PM »
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although I disagree with the 'dogfighting is boring' parts--I never find dogfighting boring


96Delta, dogfighting is just like sex. If you don't find it enormously exciting and exhilerating the problem is obvious...you're not doing it right. :aok

Rather than toolshed our fun fights dead maybe try to improve as a fighter pilot. I've watched you fight and examined your sheets, you have a long way to go before you could be called even a piss-poor fighter pilot. Once you become at least average it's alot of fun, give it a try. I realize the learning curve is steep but it's worth it in the end, trust us...

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« Reply #406 on: April 06, 2006, 02:50:11 PM »
how can people who climb to 15k in buffs/or any plane for that matter, carrying eggs, diving on target, drop all hangars......over and over again say that furballing is boring.

furballing, like many have said, is fun, challenging, and quite different every time.  i would like to put an emphasis on fun.

like many here, i once played the strat game....most times it felt more like work or a chore.  i have plenty of work, and plenty of chores in my real life, so when i log on i like to do what is fun. it becomes stressfull when you put an emphasis on "winning the war," especially when others don't share your vision.  it is also very repetitive.  i say this because i once thought a long time ago that a game needs a specific purpose to be fun, like winning the war.  but after a year or 2, it became stale (for many reasons), and i found furballing.

i have never found furballing to be boring, and there is always something to learn.  some skills i have mastered, many i have not.  it's about flying to perfection, testing your skills, and having fun.  many of these goals may never be reached (especially in my case), but that is the point, we always have something to shoot for, and that is our goal. it doesn't end when the map is reset.   vast


and reading back through all these posts, i am to understand that the LCA does not have 20+ bombers attacking a single base regularly, but that is the goal as they get more people....correct?  and they also endorse spying?
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« Reply #407 on: April 06, 2006, 02:52:28 PM »
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You believe HTC has to post rules stateing the spying is concidered a cheat? Or is it that you believe it is OK to cheat/spy because, by inference, you/BKs do it?

Must be where Gunit222, the 13 year old kid, got the idea to send his little brother to the other side.

Perhaps the MOTD should state anything not specifically addressed by the rules be it bug, exploit ect. may be used to the detriment of others.

Maybe I'm just getting old but I know what cheating in a game is, even if you apparently can't figure it out. Sad.


The point being, we have no rules in the MA. There is no structured gameplay, there is no real war, and there is absolutely nothing in the way of limitations on communication between countries, nor the number and country affiliations of a customers accounts. Multiple accounts have been in use for years. Surely if HT considered it the serious breech of the rules that some of you do, he'd have limited the chat system and the number of accounts that one may have.

The fact that only the players mention this is a "problem", that only players call it "cheating", and that no measures have ever been taken by HTC to limit this kind of thing tell me that it's not the huge gamebreaking issue that some claim.
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« Reply #408 on: April 06, 2006, 03:09:45 PM »
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We're just adding to the level of 'realism' you purportedly seek. WW2 was infested with broken codes, spies and double agents, just ask the Japanese about Admiral Yamamoto.. You want more realism, well here ya go buddy, enjoy... ;)

You call it spying, we call it intelligence gathering in an expanded effort to preserve our way of life (furballing)...Tomatoes--Tomotoes
 


Nice try, but as Lye-El said, "I know what cheating in a game is, even if you apparently can't figure it out." You already said why you were cheating, you can't now change directions and claim its in the name of "realism." No one is going to buy that, least of all me.

But ... if you want realism ... what do they do to spies when they're caught? They kill them. So, in the name of Realism, I think any player identified as spying on teammates should be banned from the game. Permanently. As well as whoever received the information. Gone. So, bye bye, Zaz. It's Realism - you said that was what you're after - you were caught as recieving information from spies so you're going to be taken out back and have your privates fileted before you're put up against a wall and shot. I think maybe I'll call HT and request the message logs so we can start identifying The Guilty. We must protect our "way of life," afterall.


Mars, how is spying on a mission to ruin something that a group of people spent an hour planning and flying any different than porking a FH that upsets a furball? Griefing is griefing, no? And why should a furballer care if FH get blown up at a base no one is even using? I thought furballers didn't care about the war?

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« Reply #409 on: April 06, 2006, 03:39:49 PM »
And, just like the rest of the deaths in game, once Zazen is executed for treason, he'll immediately be teleported back to the tower, and given 1 shiny new life, which he will once again be free to use, just like everyone one else.
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« Reply #410 on: April 06, 2006, 03:54:32 PM »
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So, in the name of Realism, I think any player identified as spying on teammates should be banned from the game. Permanently. As well as whoever received the information. Gone. So, bye bye, Zaz.


Keep dreaming! :lol

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« Reply #411 on: April 06, 2006, 03:56:34 PM »
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Mars, how is spying on a mission to ruin something that a group of people spent an hour planning  


It takes you guys an hour to "plan" that crap?!?! OMFG! :O

And you call dogfighting boring?!??! WTF?!?  :lol

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« Reply #412 on: April 06, 2006, 03:59:33 PM »
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And, just like the rest of the deaths in game, once Zazen is executed for treason, he'll immediately be teleported back to the tower, and given 1 shiny new life, which he will once again be free to use, just like everyone one else.
 


Oh no no no ... because we are dealing with protecting our communal "way of life" the penalty must be permanent. Zazen wishes to drive all who don't adhere to his view of how the game should be played out - it is only fitting that he be measured by the same yardstick.

Assemble the firing squad.

Kill. Them. All.

It's the "realistic" thing to do.




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« Reply #413 on: April 06, 2006, 04:01:44 PM »
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You believe HTC has to post rules stateing the spying is concidered a cheat? Or is it that you believe it is OK to cheat/spy because, by inference, you/BKs do it?

Must be where Gunit222, the 13 year old kid, got the idea to send his little brother to the other side.

Perhaps the MOTD should state anything not specifically addressed by the rules be it bug, exploit ect. may be used to the detriment of others.

Maybe I'm just getting old but I know what cheating in a game is, even if you apparently can't figure it out. Sad.


 I'd be more pissed off if I couldn't squelch the kid! Gunit222 has a pretty decent grasp of the game for the short time he's been on & his tender age, but him & his lil' bro's pre-pubescent squeeky voices are just too much .... Gunit sent him as a secret weapon but it might not have been to spy....it may have been just to find a fight - up - & start talking on range :rofl

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« Reply #414 on: April 06, 2006, 04:03:11 PM »
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Oh no no no ... because we are dealing with protecting our communal "way of life" the penalty must be permanent. Zazen wishes to drive all who don't adhere to his view of how the game should be played out - it is only fitting that he be measured by the same yardstick.

Assemble the firing squad.

Kill. Them. All.

It's the "realistic" thing to do.

 


I'm not spying, I am merely the innocent recipient of priviledged information told to me by the plethora of fun loving Rooks that hate your guts...I would be remiss in my duty to my resident country if I did not disseminate that information to the appropriate people most expeditiously for the good of the game. ;)

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« Reply #415 on: April 06, 2006, 04:04:50 PM »
It's good to see that this has turned into another juvenile discourse on how stupid having fun is, and how important a cartoon airplane war is in the greater scheme of things.

And, using the same yardstick for everyone else, the next time anyone dies, they are banned from the game, forever, and can only come to the bbs and tell everyone else how stupid they are, and how everybody cheated.

Sounds like a really fun game. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #416 on: April 06, 2006, 04:05:38 PM »
A Witch then.

Burn him!

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« Reply #417 on: April 06, 2006, 04:56:14 PM »
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I'm not spying, I am merely the innocent recipient of priviledged information told to me by the plethora of fun loving Rooks that hate your guts...I would be remiss in my duty to my resident country if I did not disseminate that information to the appropriate people most expeditiously for the good of the game. ;)
 


More lies from Zaz ... cuz as I said I haven't flown all week so no one can be spying on me specifically.


Didn't you just also say:

"You call it spying, we call it intelligence gathering in an expanded effort to preserve our way of life ..."

You describe an active campaign of spying. Then you say it's all in the name of realism. Then you say you're an "innocent recipient." If you're going to lie, try sticking to one story ... it sounds somewhat more convincing.


I hope HT has some money socked away because your "good of the game" is to deliberately drive away customers who don't agree with how you think the game should be played. And driving business away from HTC is a line that not even I would cross.
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« Reply #418 on: April 06, 2006, 05:04:40 PM »
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It's good to see that this has turned into another juvenile discourse on how stupid having fun is, and how important a cartoon airplane war is in the greater scheme of things.

And, using the same yardstick for everyone else, the next time anyone dies, they are banned from the game, forever, and can only come to the bbs and tell everyone else how stupid they are, and how everybody cheated.


Not at all Hubs. Spies were treated very different from normal combatants. That's the reality. You want to play the counter-espionage game, lets add in the same risk that was really there.

Right now there's no risk - other than the permanent damage to one's credibility and integrity from associating with a gang of lying hypocrites.

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« Reply #419 on: April 06, 2006, 05:06:44 PM »
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More lies from Zaz ... cuz as I said I haven't flown all week so no one can be spying on me specifically.


 


By your, I mean LCA, not you specifically, I don't even know or care who you are...This thread is about LCA, it's not the Dokgonzo thread...

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