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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2006, 01:32:37 PM »
Somewhere along the line a court case was decided on the effect of profanity.. the gist of it was that if you verbally assial somebody a beating is appropriate.

Skuzzy's points are well taken.. say the wrong thing at the wrong time; yah just might find out how good the medical care is in jail.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2006, 02:05:26 PM »
Let's say someone crosses me, and I splurt out "F'in moron". How is that any different from putting it into a more eloquent format such as, "You mentally challenged 2 year old in a 40 year old body"?

Or, let's say I'm surprised and blurp out the Sheet word. Why is that any different from exclaiming jeepers.

In this day when Bootylicious get's put in the dictionary, why are we as a society still hung up on expletives? I mean come on, do words really hurt your feelings that much you want to take a baseball bat to someone?

I'm not claiming 1st amendment rights or anything like that, taking the devils advocate on this. I do believe the colorful vernacular of the vulgar adds to the english language. I'm really trying to grasp how this hurts your sensitivities to hear the "bad words".

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2006, 02:21:50 PM »
Well, it's quite easy to make oneself feel self-righteous by declaring a form of speech fit only for the ignorant and weak, but it doesn't actually make it true.  That's just preening.

Neither was I ever suggesting anything like accosting a family in the street and berating them with abusive language.  That's already called simple assault, and is already illegal.  Not to mention being beneath the dignity of a decent person.  Please...I'm a family man and a professional.

Let's not trivialize the matter.  The point is not to defend yelling "Fire!" in a crowded room, or to defend hateful and inciting language intended to do harm, but to point out that you may not like it, but the freedom to express oneself IS what freedom of speech is all about.  And that includes a choice of words.

Like it or not, trying to dictate things like this (outside of the directly and intentionally harmful) is unacceptable to me.

It is unfortunate that a community feels the need for this, but for other reasons.  What I say walking down the public street, to myself or a companion, is simply not anybody else's business.  Even if I were overheard.  Besides, I'm not talking about walking around uttering a never-ending stream of curses at the top of my lungs, either.  That's disturbing the peace, and is also already legislated.

If it is OK to legislate language, then I want those blasted freak missionaries run out of town on a rail, and equally banned.  The only reason they can accost me and my children, in my home, and against my will, is thanks to the protections we afford speech.  I don't like it, and I don't want to be rousted every Sunday morning by these people, but they have the right to express themselves...apparently even to the point of inviting themselves to my front door and asking me intensely personal questions without a welcome.  Now, I'm sure that would upset a bunch of folks who think this kind of thing is perfectly acceptable, but it's the same principle.

My interpretation is this is a manifestation of an overweening need to control other people, in order to foment someone's personal sense of 'proper' morality.  It's always easy to accept when the idea fits your own personal worldview, but...there's more than one view, and I'm not willing to be forced to accept yours.  The problem is that this is not legislation to prevent a directed verbal assault.  That already exists.  It's a sweeping, all-inclusive public prohibition that I believe is not the purvue of government.  I just don't see some swearing as a sad testament to the state of our society.  I think there's a couple-three items that are just a bit more significant.  

When someone gets out of control, and becomes a public nuisance in the very real sense, I think every community has the needed regulations to put a halt to it.  This however, is specifically targeted at regulating and defining acceptable speech in public places.  It just don't sit right with me.

As for profanity legally justifying a beating...well, I'm sure that's true in some communities.  Here, you go to jail for being the first one to lay hands on another.  Words and deeds are not the same thing.

Anyway...we're each entitled to feel as we do.  If the matter ever comes up in my neck of the woods...I'll be opposed.

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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2006, 02:24:20 PM »
Some 10 year old across the street were throwing sticks at each other.  One of them then called the other a "****ing ho".  :huh
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2006, 02:53:39 PM »
At least the witnesses for Jesus didn't drive up in a car.  Hehe. One time a police LT. came to the house and I was outside painting.  Anyway, one of my friends was with me and he thought they were after him, for some misdemeanor.  I told him to go inside and not worry.

I walk from the back yard to the front and say "Hi" and shake hands (Lt. Mike pulls back his coat to show his revolver subtely.)  He starts asking about my neighbors, and I told him I was relieved he wasn't a Jehova's Witness, because he looked like one but they don't carry guns and drive up in cars.  He rolled his eyes and asked, do you see your neighbor that lives two houses over?  I said yes, sometimes, and she looks good in a bikini.  He rolls eyes again and is beginning to realize I'm not gonna say anything. and then finally says "Bye" and goes to other houses.:D





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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2006, 04:17:41 PM »
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Originally posted by ASTAC
From the "Strip" (Atlantic Avenue) Va Bch, VA
 and an article linked below.
I don't see how it is constitutional at all...But most people are too lazy to challege it..thinking it MUST be legal to ban free speech.





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My favorite part of that article.

"The hungover Marines I bumped into on the beach Sunday said they just hide out in hotel rooms at night to avoid fines since their cursing is uncontrollable after a few Bud Lights - eek!"


The signs are also at Lynnhaven mall, Pembroke mall, at on a few sign posts at teh town center buildings, basically if you stump your toe, or break a heal, and say Damn you can get a ticket.

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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2006, 07:37:16 AM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
An article in the Associated Press cites a survey which states that 74% of Americans interviewed admit to using or hearing profanity in public.

More women than men admit to hearing profanity, and younger people admit to using it more often than do older Americans.

Most interviewed stated that they believed the use of profanity is more prevalent today than 20 years ago...especially the use of the most profane word of all, the "F" word.

Was the First Amendment established to protect this type of offensive conduct in public?

The full article can be found here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_re_us/age_of_profanity

Regards, Shuckins


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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2006, 07:41:45 AM »
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Originally posted by J_A_B
It's not so much that profanity is on the rise as language is simply changing over time.  Just as nobody cares about many words which were considered profane 200 years ago, many current words are losing their shock value and being incorporated into normal speech.  The words the older generation considers profane are often acceptible to the younger generations.    My wife and I both often use various swear words as part of everyday speech, as do many if not most other people our age and younger (basically people under 30).  

There are still plenty of "traditional" cuss words we don't say except in anger.  The 4-letter C word is one of them.  Other words which were often used by past generations have become taboo, the "N" word being an obvious example.



That article reads as though a bunch of holier-than-thou old farts wrote it.  



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Thats pretty damn accurate
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2006, 07:42:54 AM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
Think it was Lewis Black that said "In New York, '****' (starts with F ends with K) isn't a word. It's a comma."


And thats 100% accurate.

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2006, 08:05:30 AM »
The question is, what are people that find this type of language coarse, vulgar, and offensive to do?  Wear ear-plugs in public?

While you have the right to speak your mind you also have a responsibility to consider the rights of those around you.  It seems to me that, increasingly, many people in our society would rather not consider the rights of others.  Using such speech in a select group of friends is one thing, but unrestrained profanity in public is self-centered and juvenile.

The wife recently purchased the movie "Family Business" in dvd.  Being a fan of Sean Connery and Dustin Hoffman, we eagerly looked forward to a couple of hours of relaxation with movie, popcorn, and soda.

After listening to 30 minutes of foul-mouthed dialogue, I had no appetite for anything edible.  If the "f" word had be excised from the script, that movie would have been only 20 minutes long.

The dvd made a wonderful chew-toy for my blue-heeler.

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2006, 08:51:02 AM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The question is, what are people that find this type of language coarse, vulgar, and offensive to do?  Wear ear-plugs in public?

While you have the right to speak your mind you also have a responsibility to consider the rights of those around you.  It seems to me that, increasingly, many people in our society would rather not consider the rights of others.  Using such speech in a select group of friends is one thing, but unrestrained profanity in public is self-centered and juvenile.

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Rights of thouse around you? While there IS a right to Free Speech (which would include the vulgar stuff ) there is NOT a right to not be offended. People need to get this into their thick skulls.

I do not condone the use of that sort of language out in public, but it is protected, and to be fined for it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2006, 09:02:37 AM »
Conversely, Astac, if your statement is true, neither is there a right to offend.

What I'm arguing for here is a return to a sense of public civility.  Do you really suppose that the First Amendment was crafted to allow verbal boorishness?  It's true intent was to protect freedom of opinion as it pertained to political expression.  Restraint of vulgarity in the presence of mixed company was expected as a matter of course and would not have been deemed a type of behavior which required the protection of a Constitutional amendment.

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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2006, 09:05:03 AM »
How do you feel about the public display of pro-life posters which feature aborted fetuses? Just out of curiosity, because they seem to be all the rage the past 10 years.

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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2006, 09:12:34 AM »
Welllllll,  I don't know Natty....never displayed one myself.

I guess it depends on whether or not one defines such a poster as profanity or as political and social commentary.  Some of you guys who so stridently defend the sanctity of all speech shouldn't be bothered by that type of poster at all.  It's protected by the First Amedment...right?

According to Astac, we have no right not to be offended.  So I guess that those who are offended can simply look elsewhere.

What's your opinion?


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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2006, 09:17:43 AM »
So you switched it around on me rather than directly answer the question.

How do you feel about seeing it on the street? If it is offensive to people, should it be removed? If not, then what should those offended do? Drive/walk with their hands over their eyes, choose a new route, pass a law to prohibit public display of vulgar images, or just ignore it and proceed with their life?

Being offended due to the first amendment is easy, it's what you do afterwards that indicates whether you deserve that amendment or not.