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Offline Snoopi

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Stripper caused Concorde rudder failure...
« on: September 28, 2000, 09:26:00 PM »
NO..not that kinda stripper !!

I'm in the process of stripping paint from my canoe and discovered this tidbit on a web page.

"Depending on the benzyl alcohol stripper formulation, there is potential for harmful corrosion of metals if not properly inhibited. A major aircraft manufacturer stated that more airframe damage is caused by improper use and handling of chemical strippers than any other single source of corrosion.

A British Airways Concorde experienced chemical-stripper-(type not stated) induced structural failure of a rudder during a London to New York flight March 21, 1992.


More...
A British Airways Concorde rudder failed during a London to New York flight March 21,
1992. The aircraft made an emergency landing at Kennedy Intentional Airport where it was learned that a five-by-10-ft section ripped free of the upper rudder.
(Aviation Week & Space Technology, March 30, 1992)

The Times of London reported similar incidents occurred in January, 1991, while en
route to New York and in 1989, while flying between New Zealand and Australia. The Times said British Airways inspections found paint stripper was eroding adhesives that bond the rudder's laminated metal layers. (San Francisco Chronicle, March 22, 1992)


taken from...
 http://www.pfonline.com/articles/069703.html

No real point here, is just found that
very surprising/interesting.


Regards,
Snoopi

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Offline Snoopi

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Stripper caused Concorde rudder failure...
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2000, 04:08:00 PM »
bump
no this is not a juvenile joke post

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Stripper caused Concorde rudder failure...
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2000, 04:29:00 PM »
Very intresting.  

I would have thought that supersonic aircraft shouldn't have corrosive materials being used on the control surfaces.  Sill me  

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Stripper caused Concorde rudder failure...
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2000, 07:41:00 PM »
Rebel if you can figure out how to repaint a plane without using solvents, please tell somebody in the aviation business...  

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2000, 07:57:00 PM »
And yes painting and coating are needed in many cases to increase resistance to corrosion, dust, and other damage.

The problem is that planes millions of parts made of hundreds (thousands?) of different materials that each have different sensitivities to environmental factors. (chemicals, moisture, dust, etc)  So the design of every manufacturing and maintenance process must take into account all of the materials and their particular sensitivities or else something BAD could happen.

One time I was involved with a project to create locking mechanism that was to be retrofitted to a system on a certain black aircraft.  We had a problem in that the actuation forces for this mechanism tested a tiny bit higher than the specified values after exposure to dust.  

It was still possible for groundcrew to operate the mechanism but it was out of the specs, so we suggested that groundcrew could just give it a shot of compressed air (which is a pretty common thing to have in a maintenance facility) to clear the dust and lower the actuation force.  To our dismay, the groundcrew representative present explained that he could not do this because compressed air was not allowed anywhere near this aircraft, due to problems with low-observable coatings.

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Stripper caused Concorde rudder failure...
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2000, 08:41:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by funked:
Rebel if you can figure out how to repaint a plane without using solvents, please tell somebody in the aviation business...    


Check out the link that this came from that I posted. It seems that using "dry" stripping is not only safer but cheaper.
Cheaper not in man hours but in the costs to deal with in terms of Hazardous Air Pollutant (HASP) disposal and VOC's.

 
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Quote:USAF sources state a C141 aircraft (a medium size transport) will require approximately 1,600 gallons (12,500 lbs) of benzyl alcohol to effectively strip its coating. If this chemical were to be applied over two 24-hour periods, it would produce 6,250 pounds of VOC per day, which by law must be controlled or offset. The cost of purchasing offsets in 1993 was $3,000 $5,000 per pound, per day of VOCs. This meant a cost of $18,750,000 to $31,000,000 for permits. The other alternative is to install a vapor
recovery system. Estimated cost for such a system is in excess of $3.000,000. (Note:
In 1995 the cost of offsets was $1,000, therefore the permit cost would be $6,250,000.)

Other processes vying for attention in the
non-chemical market are laser stripping, crystalline ice blasting, carbon dioxide
pellet blasting, sodium bicarbonate and medium-pressure water blasting,flashlamp, flashblast and high-pressure water stripping.