U.S. Cuts Role Of Apache for Deep Attack

[Pooh21]

We should buy some Mi-24s and the russians to fly them. Thats what I never got is why the russians amoured their windscreens agaisnt small arms, but you can down a blackhawk with a pistol.

[SMIDSY]

it is hard to shoot down a blackhawk with a pistol if not impossible. the engine and drive shaft are armored with kevlar (i have seen it in person and it was confimred by an air national gaurd officer who proceded to stand on the opened engine cover and jump up and down on it while it was still attached to the helo). also, they are equipped with bullet proof glass making them eccedingly difficult to shoot down with small arms. this is in stark contrast to the helicopter that it replaced (Heuey) which in one instance was shot down with a bow and arrow.

also, Mi-24s do not fit American doctrine as they are not very meneuverable because of their large size. they do, however posess the capability to carry a squad of infantryman in addition to their formitable armament.

[Pongo]

They need the BF2 choppers.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Pongo
They need the BF2 choppers.

Heh, no kidding, I hit one once with two tank Main gun rounds and it still flew away.

[icemaw]

Looks like the a10 might still have a few years of service left in her. I know if I had the choice what aircraft I would chose for close ground support.

[Maverick]

The doctrine just a few years ago was that no one single part of the Army fought alone. They were all to use the combined arms doctrine. That is the belnding of multiple weapons systems in concert to overwhelm and destroy the enemy. It also means using more than one service branch to get the job done IE navy or Air Force assets as combat multipliers.

Experiance has shown that sending one group, unsupported, is stupid. The experiance listed in earlier posts is confirmation of that simple concept. Infantry is not the do all, be all, any more than Armor, Aviation, Artillery etc. is when used in a conflict. As much as any troopie would like to think, any one part of the military can't do it all. It is really a team effort that gets the best results. Armor Infantry and Aviation working in concert to control the battlefield.

Helicopters are not tanks, tanks are not impervious and troops can't just get accross the battle field and do it all either. All the services have something to add to a victory and in some cases are absolutely essential to avoid a defeat.

[scot12b]

The AH-64 is bad As@ as someone who was thie at the Karbala gap I no all about them getting chewed up but the all made back. They were not alowed to cross the Euphrades bridge forgive my spelling of it I was a 12B. Because of of all the AA guns the were tould to hold I  no because we all ways had CAS or them on call the LT  or are FSO would stay on Net just in case they were need them. I have some good pic`s of them flying right up to it but they never did cross till we had it secured and some not so good ones of them all shot up I got this after we took the airport. In OIF3  thir  call sign was Viper the were a flying ORF foce for patrlos in Bagdad and I am shure else were in Iraq. I can tell if were not for the Viper element some of the patrols would have been in big trouble. Thir is nothing like geting on the net and calling for viper and seeing 2 AH-64 show up in minutes just remmber to were you glint tape. As far as small arms I can tell you that least of the your prombles  for patrols out in sector it IED`S and VBIED`S  aka car bombs are the real worry. The big deal with Viper is they just can`t open up like OIF1 to use hellfires they must first go through Brgade same for the 30m on it. I dont care what some good idea fairy thinks about this.You go on a  patrol and you will whant them on call!

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by scot12b
The AH-64 is bad As@ as someone who was thie at the Karbala gap I no all about them getting chewed up but the all made back. They were not alowed to cross the Euphrades bridge forgive my spelling of it I was a 12B. Because of of all the AA guns the were tould to hold I  no because we all ways had CAS or them on call the LT  or are FSO would stay on Net just in case they were need them. I have some good pic`s of them flying right up to it but they never did cross till we had it secured and some not so good ones of them all shot up I got this after we took the airport. In OIF3  thir  call sign was Viper the were a flying ORF foce for patrlos in Bagdad and I am shure else were in Iraq. I can tell if were not for the Viper element some of the patrols would have been in big trouble. Thir is nothing like geting on the net and calling for viper and seeing 2 AH-64 show up in minutes just remmber to were you glint tape. As far as small arms I can tell you that least of the your prombles  for patrols out in sector it IED`S and VBIED`S  aka car bombs are the real worry. The big deal with Viper is they just can`t open up like OIF1 to use hellfires they must first go through Brgade same for the 30m on it. I dont care what some good idea fairy thinks about this.You go on a  patrol and you will whant them on call!

I broke my brain trying to read that.  You might want to hook up with HT.  He needs more coaders..>

[scot12b]

? Frogive my spelling I no am not that good at typing but your point I do no  more about this then some guy who watches the military CH or history CH .3ID 3/7 INF BN E-CO SSG OIF1 and OIF 3 Thank you.

[rabbidrabbit]

I appreciate the insight.  Thanks for doing the work too.

[Maverick]

Hey Scott,

Don't sweat the spelling or grammer. I got the message and didn't have much trouble.

One of my best teachers in the Army was my first shirt when I was the Company CO. His typing wasn't the greatest either but the letter and the "1'st Sgt Commendation" he wrote to me when I left command it about my most treasured momento from all the years I have in the service. He was a great man and an even better friend. I am looking for him now but when he retired he seemed to just disappear.

to you and the other NCO's who really make things happen.