Truer Words Were Never Spoken

[Flit]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I keep telling you all the only logical answer is to make Mexico our 51st state.

Its a win win situation for everyone.

Yes there would be imediate costs.
But the longterm benifits would far outweigh the costs

Let the Donald Trump types in and within 15 years it would become the next great vacation/retirement state.


Not to mention it has a wealth of undeveloped natural resources to be exploited
And a quick look at the map shows the added benifit of reducing our borders by more then a few miles

 That works for me
 We could call texico
 What we need to do is funnel all these people protesting south to the border, and then make them re-enter the right way. No US ID, no entry into the US.
 As for amnesty for "Illegal" aliens, NO ! They are "Illegal" which means they broke the law.
 Give them one chance to do it right.
1. Register as an "Illegal" alien.
2. Go back to Mexico and enter the  immigration process.
3. IF you have registered as an "illegal" then, maybe you get a Temp worker card, which would let you enter the US on a "temporary" basis, working and paying taxes as your application works it's way thru the BS that is goverment red tape.
4. While your in the US, you learn english on your own time and at your own expense.
5.After the 5 years ( or whatever it is) goes by, you can go take your citizenship test.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not sure... are farmers subsidized in California and Texas?

Farm subsidies are usually Federal, so I assume that California and Texas get their piece of the pork.  

Originally posted by ghi
<--Immigrant, from Romania

I came in Canada , looking for better life 8 years ago, legal, paying a lawer to prep my paperwork , i could  speak  french/english at acceptable level of conversation before i came here,(i know my spell sux, but still working on it,lol), and i had to wait 3 years in line ,
I can make it ,Why others can't  follow the rules ? !

People like GHI are the main reason that I am deadset against any form of amnesty, errr, "path to citizenship" for illegals.  There are literally millions of people all over the world who would like to come here but are doing so the legal way - by applying for visas and citizenship through their embassies and by working to learn English on their own.  The protesters in the street seem to think that since they've cut in line, they have a "right" to be sent to the front of the legal immigration process - ahead of plenty of immigrants who have been going through proper channels, many for decades.    A "path to citizenship" (amnesty) is an insult to our own system, our American belief in fair play, and a slap in the face to those millions of people to whom the idea of coming to America is a goal to be worked a lifetime for.  

Get the lawbreakers out of my country.  Heavily fine or imprision those that employ them.  Deport those who are arrested, ticketed, or pulled over for anything by local cops.  Word will get around that there is no work and that the police do not turn a blind eye anymore.  Then those that want their "path to citizenship" can get in line, just like everybody else.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Tarmac
Farm subsidies are usually Federal, so I assume that California and Texas get their piece of the pork.

True... but it usually depends on the type of crop.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Nash
Okay, and the reason they haven't done anything about illegal immigration last year, the year before that, the year before that, the year before that, the year before that, and the year before that was because of what? The paralyzing grip of the 2006 congressional elections?

Seems like very other year I have to vote for somebody running for congress.

[Eagler]

but who would pick the strawberries?

why are the politicains worried? illegals can't vote .. and the legals should want to see the illegals get the boot just like the rest of us do

[bj229r]

There are 280 million legal citizens of this country. They are the ones carrying the burden of 20 million illegal immigrants. Oh, it's a great benefit for illegal employers. But don't you dare suggest that it is a benefit to working men and women, who are watching $200 billion of wages disappear every year because of illegal immigration. They're paying for their health care. They're paying for their children in schools that are overcrowded. We are failing the people who built this country, the American middle-class. Don't tell me how important illegal immigration is, because it's utter nonsense.

Said by Lou Dobbs, whom I always thought was somewhat a leftist

[Toad]

I agree with Lou on this issue.

[eagl]

Partial solution - NEVER vote for the incumbent congressman.  Always vote for the new guy.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not sure... are farmers subsidized in California and Texas?

Sure they are. You know that vast area of California that was irrigated decades ago? That, for example, is a major subsidization. It still doesn't pay for itself. There is serious subsidization of farming in every state.

Hey, I know farmers, some of my best friends are farmers. But there's a lot of them drawing huge subsidies, and a lot of them using illegals for labor. We don't owe them the subsidies OR the use of low priced labor everyone else subsidizes. Now the farmers I know around here don't use them, they are family run farms.

Around here we have them in construction and landscaping. And the price of having a home built or landscaping is going UP, not down. We have serious crime issues with illegals. We have them driving drunk and unlicensed, and commiting felonies. So we're paying higher prices for work being done, PLUS we're subsidizing the existence of the illegals, and putting up with their crime. So tell me again where the upside to all of that is.


Not to mention the pay scale for the local skilled labor residents in construction and landscaping is being dragged down. How would you like to have your pay scale dragged down AND have to pay for all of the services the illegal alien who is dragging your pay scale down is using? Sound fair?

My paternal grandfather was a LEGAL immigrant from Germany in the late 1800's. I'm all for LEGAL immigration. But allowing illegal aliens to become citizens as a reward for committing an illegal act is WRONG. Any way you look at it.

[lazs2]

until we have the will to imprison those who are really causing the problem there can be no solution...  

We need to make mandatory sentances for employers who hire illegals...

A 12' wall on the border will just cause a rise in the sales of 13' ladders.

You can't blame the illegals... they are getting a mixed message... we tell them it is illegal for them to come here and work but as soon as they get here.........  So called  "Americans" hire them.

The rest of us aren't much better... when we have work done we should ask to see the contractors W4's.   You can't blame Wallmart for hiring illegals if you do the same.

lazs